SHF- Super Heavy Fighters

[Lythrilux]

Come on, VHFs don't have to be able to solo everything. God that's such a boring meta.

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[Hubjump]

Make my double razor mjolnir useful lol.
SHFs suck in my experience with them. And that isn't just my meme mjolnir.
Skill and turn rate > nearly all other stats.
Also yeah that implies I'm often out skilled in snubs.I admit it.

[Kazinsal]

Give heavy fighters dedicated Sunslayer mounts.

I'll wait.

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Retired, permanently.

[Enkidu]

Give heavy fighters dedicated Sunslayer mounts.

I'll wait.

I have no authority nor should I have but this gets my right toe of approval.

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[Lythrilux]

No, that'll do nothing for the class (a bit of lag and it's useless). Give them all VHF shields instead (maybe with the exception of tiny HFs but we'd have to see the balance impact).

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[Tenacity]

Here's my input:

The Osprey needs a core boost. It has almost identical stats to the other standard SHFs, but has 1 less gun, less armor, and less power core, for no apparent reason.

The mjolnir, taurus, etc. should all be able to equip fighter and bomber torpedoes, like proper SHFs. Limiting them to fighter torps only makes them far less effective (and that's why you never see them in use).

The Anzu needs a second CD/Torp slot, it only has one compared to other SHFs. Also, it needs a model size reduction - right now the Anzu is, quite literally, 3-4 times larger than the spatial and easily 3 times larger than the osprey. This is because it USED to be a gunship, but had all of its stats changed to be an SHF without changing the model as well. Simply scaling down the model by 50-60% would be sufficient.

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[Kazinsal]

No, that'll do nothing for the class (a bit of lag and it's useless). Give them all VHF shields instead (maybe with the exception of tiny HFs but we'd have to see the balance impact).

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Retired, permanently.

[Lythrilux]

Sure, it might rock the boat too much though

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[Reeves]

SHFs are just a tool for people who used snacs to insta kill VHFs, only now they can do it with even more forgiveness if they miss a dual MR, and they can spam it more often.

It's another thing to rule out the relevance of getting good in VHFs for duels when you can just be that guy and roll up to a fight with a dual MR SHF stacked with normal guns so the only way you'll be killed is if the enemy stacks 5+ people on you.

But of course if you shoot any ship with 5+ people, it's "ganking" and is unhealthy for the server.

Funny how the server works (:

This is exactly what they are. Took the words right out of my.. fingertips? I'm genuinely enjoying all these literal seal-clubbers call you out for being VHF biased, the glaring hypocrisy is rather spicy on their parts.

What about we don't nerf stuff according to what the best in VHF PVP can do...?

This is one of the reasons why below average players cannot get any better in PVP despite trying hard nowadays. Thank you.

You're welcome. Now stop being so arrogant and accept the fact that giving you a toy that has to be ganked to be killed is not the solution to your inability.

Frantic alt-f4ing

Enough said.

[Tenacity]

All these anti-SHF folks seem to forget that SHFs are less maneuverable and much larger than fighters. Even the spatial, which is the smallest SHF, is nearly twice the size of any VHF in the game.

They're jack of all trades ships. A VHF/HF (in some cases) will be better at anti-snub. A dedicated bomber will be better at killing caps. Barring the examples I posted about before (where SHFs are in need of BUFFS, not nerfs), they're fine.

I would be all for making them all have 1 fighter/bomber torp and 1 cd slot, instead of two universal slots, if that is necessary for balance. The double MR thing is toxic, I agree, but that's something that can be fixed without making them entirely useless. Aside from the Double MR trolls, I think it's relatively more common to run a bomber torp and a cruise disruptor combo for general use, so you have guns that can be decent anti-snub and a torp that can let you substitute for a bomber in an anti-cap role.

The main thing is that -all- SHFs, within their class archetype, need to be balanced relatively similar to one another. Right now we have the mjolnir and taurus which otherwise have SHF stats, but cannot equip bomber torpedoes, which makes them useless aside from double-MR trolling, and we have the Anzu which is literally the size of a light gunboat which makes it much easier to hit than other SHFS, while also lacking a second cd/torp slot. Those ships need to be brought into line with the spatial, osprey, plier, etc.

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