Praetorian

[globalplayer-svk]

Or when it has 4 engines , make it as big but agile as hell light fighter, where its size compensate its big agility

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[Zeltak]

I think the ship looks..Unique.

Yet I agree with seamus here the Corsairs learn too Adapt and evolve yet we keep having heavy ships made for us.

In Roleplay the Corsairs would realise that the Current praetorian lacks the agility to manouver out of the way of Snacs and other things or else the ship itself will be made redundant.

so my request still stands for an agile yet competetive bomber.

By your logic everyone would "Adapt and learn to avoid Supernovas" and get their own little super-fast Bomber which can own everything. To me, you are looking for a quick solution to your combat problems. Praetorian is one of the best bomber because of its shape versus the agility/firepower it has and you should be damn happy it hasn't been nerfed to say the least. Secondly no offense Nighthawk, but that Bomber with 4 wings dosen't really follow the Corsair shipline with every ship (NOT including capital ships) trying to resemble a cross-like shape.

Also, Corsairs follow the "Tank ship" style with alot of armor but at the cost of some of their maneuverability. And I say the word "some" because the Gladiator, Titan and the Praetorian are pretty agile, I have flown them all.

I know the reason why Cosmos wants a ship change (but most importantly a total stats change) but I'm not gonna go into personal matters and leave it at there.

And when you have the fortune of owning an entire shipline, asking for a Mk II Bomber is a bit too much. Think of how that would affect the balance between your competitive factions, such as the Outcasts.

But if the majority of Corsair players wants this model change, and you get approval from both Igiss and the model-owner of the original Praetorian, sure go ahead. But don't start with this whole "stats change crap", you requested a model change Cosmos, let it stay that way too.

[Irra]

Outcasts have one more bomber ... or border worlds ... it might change falcata or be added as new ship ... i don't know ... it would be nice to have mk2 bomber ... but then if others wont get it no one will

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this is cool signature

[McNeo]

Did I state that this could be a Praetorian MK2?

A second Corsair bomber?
I did PM it too Night.

Also Monte, I've been flying my praetorian every day for over a year now, I think i am "Used Too" it allready.

Mcneo. How inRP can you compare them too the Liberty Bombers? in RP the Corsairs would'nt even know what their bombers looked like due too their ZOI, Also Who're you too dictate the RP of a Generic Freelancer Faction? They Adapt and Evolve, That's all too be said, Therefore making your essay you have written Redundant.

Two bombers for a faction is pretty much the limit. I think the Praetorian is good enough as it is to be honest.

How can I compare them to Liberty Bombers since the Corsairs don't even know what they look like?
Hm, well, I saw a Corsair gunboat in New York some time ago (this version).
Oh yeah, and three cruisers and a dreadnought in a different instance (again, this version).
And I remember leading a Liberty recon party of about five fighters to Omicron Kappa, back in the day (a long time ago).

The essay I've written is redundant? Hm. I didn't know people's opinions were redundant.

Well, the easiest comparison I can make for you is medieval Europe or feudal Japan. Any adaptations to battle equipment you saw there were refinements of current equipment, not something completely new. Armour that felt light and flexible to wear, yet gave heavy protection. Swords that had range, but could also be used in close quarters combat due to their balance and lightness, and so on. I'd like to think that the Corsairs would go from something like the Scottish Cleaver to the Japanese Katana, rather than from the Cleaver to a Vickers machine gun.

But that's just me.

To be honest, what I'd prefer for the Corsairs would be either a light cruiser or a battlecruiser.
But the chance of getting either of those (especially the battlecruiser)? Probably less than zero.

[Cosmos]

ill be perfectly honest with you and tell you why I and many others would like a MK2 praetorian that has better agility than the current one.

its because some of us just -Cannot- fly fighters, and when ever there is a raid we bring out our bombers only too meet either 5-6 Falcatas or a full BHG Raid of 6-7 Bombers.

Now when compared to the agility of them bombers, the praetorian is beaten every time.
On my BH bomber I an stay behind the praetorian at every moment if the praetorian does'nt engine kill, simply because the BH Bomber is alot more agile.

in terms of evening out the problem, I think this is the only way... I mean if your shield goes down on a praetorian and there are bombers around, Due to the lak of agility it will get snac'd and it wont matter how much armour the thing has.

Remember its only a suggestion though, I was just hoping to even out the Odds.

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[Zeltak]

ill be perfectly honest with you and tell you why I and many others would like a MK2 praetorian that has better agility than the current one.

its because some of us just -Cannot- fly fighters, and when ever there is a raid we bring out our bombers only too meet either 5-6 Falcatas or a full BHG Raid of 6-7 Bombers.

Now when compared to the agility of them bombers, the praetorian is beaten every time.
On my BH bomber I an stay behind the praetorian at every moment if the praetorian does'nt engine kill, simply because the BH Bomber is alot more agile.

in terms of evening out the problem, I think this is the only way... I mean if your shield goes down on a praetorian and there are bombers around, Due to the lak of agility it will get snac'd and it wont matter how much armour the thing has.

Remember its only a suggestion though, I was just hoping to even out the Odds.

Nothing personal, but sorry mate, this is a problem you have.

Now if you want to state your personal opinion/experiences, then I want to state mine.

My personal opinion, flying the Praetorian also almost over a year now, tells me that this ship is completely awesome because the shape of the Praetorian makes it incredibly hard to hit. I have also fought against multiple Bounty Hunter Bombers and Falcatas, and I feel that I have been in the advantage of those battles thanks to the Praetorian bomber which provides me with excellent dodging, and its all due to its shape. Which I have said like 15 times now in this thread, the Praetorian is thin/small in every angle of attack causing enemy bombers to miss alot of times. Unless you fly bad, but that is an individual flaw, not a vessel one.

And again nothing personal, but just because you tend to die alot dosen't mean the ship is bad, ever heard of individual skill? Perhaps its time to improve that.

The armor, on a Bomber does matter, ALOT, perhaps not against Supernovas, but against basically EVERYTHING else except the Supernova. Especially enemy Fighters, a good armor capacity keeps you alive that much longer and might just be the very thing keeping you alive enough to destroy an enemy target with a Supernova and replenish your bots again.

The odds are not even, the odds are on your (Corsairs) favor regarding this ship-class. You should be grateful it is that way.

[Pinko]

That's an X-wing mixed up with a B-wing?

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I want to get off Mr. Igiss' wild ride.

[Baltar]

Pretty cool ... a bit of an X-Wing look ... but pretty cool.

[globalplayer-svk]

hm, some people typing here, that corsair bomber is too slow,
but then, why i see everyday people able to kill in it everything ?....
i see praet killing falcata, praet killing bh bomber,,,but yes, the same when you change sides,,, falcata killing praet and so...

it is all about skills, and practice. i am not so good bomber pilot, but some time ago ,when was my lucky and good day, i was able to stay alone against whole outcast fleet firing on me long enough until help arrived. (and it was more as 3 fighters and some bobmers on me+cap ships shooting from distance)
what i will say with this is, that praet is good as it is. and having more agile bomber? noone is restricting you the civilian bomber... more agile, but with lower armour and powerplant... it is choice? is...
and zeltak, i am corsair... not all have the same opinion...
(sure, i can imagine it with forward firing turret as rheinland bomber, to give harder punch.as it is in rp supposed to be) but i can live with praet as it is now.

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[Zeltak]

hm, some people typing here, that corsair bomber is too slow,
but then, why i see everyday people able to kill in it everything ?....
i see praet killing falcata, praet killing bh bomber,,,but yes, the same when you change sides,,, falcata killing praet and so...

it is all about skills, and practice. i am not so good bomber pilot, but some time ago ,when was my lucky and good day, i was able to stay alone against whole outcast fleet firing on me long enough until help arrived. (and it was more as 3 fighters and some bobmers on me+cap ships shooting from distance)
what i will say with this is, that praet is good as it is. and having more agile bomber? noone is restricting you the civilian bomber... more agile, but with lower armour and powerplant... it is choice? is...
and zeltak, i am corsair... not all have the same opinion...
(sure, i can imagine it with forward firing turret as rheinland bomber, to give harder punch.as it is in rp supposed to be) but i can live with praet as it is now.

I never said all Corsairs share the same opinion as Cosmos, please quote me if I did.

And your post seems to come in an agreement with my opinions on the matter, that it's more about the individual skill rather than a vessel flaw which needs to be adressed.