Should battleships have CDs?

[Seth Karlo]

CD's were useful for Pwning Heavy Battleships in light ones... man I learnt so much from him...

Anyway, nah, it's better this way.

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[Divine]

So I finally got my GRN Battleship outfitted. I was trying to stop some random people (non-Gallic) in Burgundy, and the following happened each time:

Lucas: Halt! Cut your engines now!
(Enemy cruises away with no notice or response)
Lucas: We will remember this transgression, trespasser!

GRN are supposed to empty all non-EFL/IDF/GMS transport convoys and send those people packing out of Gallia, but nobody stops to RP at all, and I cannot stop them since I do not have CDs.

So, should battleships have CDs to force people to RP moar, or will it be too imba?

Get a bomber?

I wonder if Cruisers should lose CDs as well... Can't pirate or stop smugglers with 'em anyway.

To the 1. Quote: THAT is not what a Battleship is ment for. But good I know now you have one, be ready to face the Brigands.

To the 2. Quote: Just YES.

To the 3. Quote: This is an idea i really like. All above Gunships dont need a Cruise Disruptor at all.

@CoF: "Get yourself an escort!"

- Div.

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[Eternal]

This topic is growing larger and larger , but not with answers to the question the creator presented us , but with different peoples interpretation of what a Battleship should and should not be supposed to do.

First , answer that question. Only after doing that , can we decide if they need or don't need a CD.

Personally , as a owner of a Battleship for well over an year now. I felt uncomfortable when I saw that the CD was removed from my ship. The fact that it was removed didn't disturb me , rather then the fact that no one asked for the opinion of the people who actually use them. One day I have it and the other I don't , without any discussion taking place.

For many the Battleship represents nothing but one persons eager desire to posses the largest and "best" ship in the game , many of those people continue to post in threads like this one , hindering any attempt of boosting the power or giving extra capabilities to the largest ship class in the mod.

I have to say , that I've seen enough of these threads emerge and be shamelessly killed by these people , while they use old excuses and fear to keep the general opinion over the Battleship class to a mere - whore ship , if you will. I do see a patter here , however.

Loosing the CD was , as far as I can explain it to myself , a compromise , the developers made in order to somehow balance the extra boost this ship class has been given in 4.85. However , giving us something and taking away another thing is hardly what I would call a boost , it's not even change , people who use that class only morph from one form of "bad" to the other.

A Battleship , even one with a CD , cannot hurt a person with the correct ship and ID , when both belong to a trading company. However , bombers are now able to effortlessly fly around Battleships and bombard them , fearing only a handful of people who can use the ship to it's absolute maximum potential , which is , quite pathetic as well.

And another thing , since it was declared , long ago , that we shouldn't use terminology from "our" world , here , I suggest we stick to that. But just for the sake of if - The most advanced and up-to date Battleships , which are quite few in our days , don't require any assistance from other craft to operate efficiently. Actually , a missile , of any type , can't even come close to a Battleship. The old days of WWII are long gone , realy.

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[Divine]

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So, should battleships have CDs to force people to RP moar, or will it be too imba?

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First , answer that question. Only after doing that , can we decide if they need or don't need a CD.
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Alright, then lets answer that question of the OP.
But first a counterquestion: How does having a CD on a Battleship to stop those nasty traders 'force' them to more RP?
If the trader doesnt want to talk to you, he also wont do much efforts doing so after you stopped him.
He will eventually yell at the Battleship's Captain and will eventually grow some anger against those Battleship Captains which lead to one more biased person on the server.

We want more biased players?

The CD was removed from Battleships to prevent that those are used to 'gank' players in lighter ships like Fighters and Bombers, especially to blow up trader ships with them. There are for sure many of those Captains dont doing that, but there have also been many more doing it.

A Battleship as it is, isnt intented to be used for intercepting smugglers and traders at all.
It was over several Mod-versions to now designed to fight their counterparts of the same class and below to Cruisers, maybe Gunships.

And even if I -sound- biased now myself, if you want to use a Battleship for right that, intercepting traders, you just did it wrong from the start...

Just think about how you would react if you pass by that ship (which is ooRP in itself from the smugglers/traders side) and get stopped, informed about the law and then blown up.

It may as it is now not please all, but it helps to ensure the smooth play on the server as a whole.

And dont get me wrong please, I also owned Battleships in .84 and .85.
And the old saying of "get yourself an escort" may be not right at many other points, but here it is.

So I will give you a hint, my dear OP: Get yourself Skype if you havent it already, contact the GRN players ingame to get their's and make yourself friends within them. Many of them fly Fighters and Bombers, able to intercept the ships you cant.

On a side note to that all:
- There are just 2 Bomber pilots needed to shot the heck out of your ship if you fly alone though space, regardless if its open space or if you are near a friendly base of yours, if those 2 pilots just bring enough patience.
- And if its correct that Bomber pilots can 'gank' a Battleship as they wish, is another topic.

- Div.

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[cobraSting]

Alright, then lets answer that question of the OP.
But first a counterquestion: How does having a CD on a Battleship to stop those nasty traders 'force' them to more RP?
If the trader doesnt want to talk to you, he also wont do much efforts doing so after you stopped him.
He will eventually yell at the Battleship's Captain and will eventually grow some anger against those Battleship Captains which lead to one more biased person on the server.

We want more biased players?

The CD was removed from Battleships to prevent that those are used to 'gank' players in lighter ships like Fighters and Bombers, especially to blow up trader ships with them. There are for sure many of those Captains dont doing that, but there have also been many more doing it.

A Battleship as it is, isnt intented to be used for intercepting smugglers and traders at all.
It was over several Mod-versions to now designed to fight their counterparts of the same class and below to Cruisers, maybe Gunships.

And even if I -sound- biased now myself, if you want to use a Battleship for right that, intercepting traders, you just did it wrong from the start...

Just think about how you would react if you pass by that ship (which is ooRP in itself from the smugglers/traders side) and get stopped, informed about the law and then blown up.

It may as it is now not please all, but it helps to ensure the smooth play on the server as a whole.

And dont get me wrong please, I also owned Battleships in .84 and .85.
And the old saying of "get yourself an escort" may be not right at many other points, but here it is.

So I will give you a hint, my dear OP: Get yourself Skype if you havent it already, contact the GRN players ingame to get their's and make yourself friends within them. Many of them fly Fighters and Bombers, able to intercept the ships you cant.

On a side note to that all:
- There are just 2 Bomber pilots needed to shot the heck out of your ship if you fly alone though space, regardless if its open space or if you are near a friendly base of yours, if those 2 pilots just bring enough patience.
- And if its correct that Bomber pilots can 'gank' a Battleship as they wish, is another topic.

- Div.

OK....

first of all, it was not my intention to chase down traders in this battleship. I am talking about the traders that came to where I was by using trade lanes. Second of all, it was not my intention to simply rant at other players and shoot them. I like to think that I am a better Rp player than that. Thirdly, perhaps you are right, and my comment about 'forcing' RP was off the mark. Fourthly, this thread was never meant to be a rant against the current situation or against any other player or community member; in fact, it was never meant to be a rant to anyone. Fifthly, although I won't be doing this every single time, how is getting stopped, stopped mind you, and sent/escorted/etc out of Gallia going to make biased players? I don't plan on tracking down every single player without the GRN| tag in every single asteroif field. Sixthly, I am very well aware that 2 bomber pilots with patience will decimate any battleship just about anywhere, and I am wondering as to why you mentioned this in a discussion thread about Cruise Disruptors. Seventhly, I was planning on contacting GRN| on Skype from the moment I bought the ship, and had simply not gotten around to it. Eightly, this portion of your previous post:

"So I will give you a hint, my dear OP"

sounds as if you are speaking in a derisive or patronizing tone. I am sorry if I am getting this message wrong and this thread has upset you, but please make your posts sound less patronizing.

And finally, I look forward to RPing with you in space. Thank you for the contribution.

[Blodo]

Closed by request of OP.