The future of the Aoi Iseijin

[Akura]

I don't see why'd other Houses reject you if the Blood Dragons didn't.

I don't really see reason for BDs (who reject foreign assistance without any doubt; you don't have real influence in Kusari too, at least visual one) to ally with you, nor for the GMG (why'd they, anyway). The only reason for them to deal with you would be to fool you and recapture their pilots. Probably later those pilots would be interrogated and carefully studied by the Order. If I'd be you, I'd try Junkers and Outcasts.

GCs could possibly work.

Well, the Iseijin are Kusari, through and through, they're Kusari pilots with nowhere else to go. They have an almost self-sufficient military fortress in a borderworlds system of Kusari, tucked away where they can defend themselves for a long time.

You have to remember that they're distrustful of how the rest of humanity will react to them, and only opt for the GC and BD out of desperation, if they can get along with their neighbours, there is less chance of them being wiped out.

I'd like to voice in my opinion. The main problem with the Iseijin is that they have been humanized to a level that they are no longer a Nomad faction, but just another Kusari faction, and with that they've lost the charm of a Nomad/Wild faction. And this was all done to please the community which cannot be pleased in any way, and that's what went wrong.

Yeah, I've stopped trying to please anyone, and now I'm doing what I want to do, Nomad RP is crippled, always will be, so I want to seperate myself from it. End of.

Even if the infected Iseijin secretly still work for the Nomads and the whole thing is a red herring to get away with a more devious plan, I'd be cool with that. I just want some change, and I want to do what I want to do. Done.

What I don't understand is why the Iseijin didn't remain what they were, with just a couple of changes made to reflect their RP. Mainly, forget the 113th, and forget people bitching about Nomad guns. Have all ships use the same tag, and use Nomad guns to reflect your RP. Meaning, you won't have full Nomad guns if acting KNF, but you will have full guns when going Hunter on their assess. Keep the Hunter-Trapper RP, and ditch the 113th. The Arch's cover won't be blown unless someone sees those ships docking there; any other attempt to associate the Iseijin with the Arch, the Iseijin in question can claim he comes directly from the Forbidden Palace. That's what they were made for, to mindscrew any and all.

Meh, that's the old Iseijin, Mike's view of what the Iseijin should be. Now it's my turn.

Furthermore, the faction doesn't have to be invite only, however if you decide to bring back the old Iseijin, it should. I don't support elitism in any way, but how much freedom and how big a prick you can be recording to your ID, every and each member should be able to cope with the responsibility. And metagaming will always be present, that is why stable members are needed, which usually comes with time and experience here on Disco.

Point of my post is, be Wild, be crazy, don't give a damn about what others whine about, bring back the old Hunter-Trapper type-o-thingy, snap the Aoi tag to handle the new faction activity business, don't get caught docking on the Arch, and most importantly, don't give a ****.

I don't want to be stealing the thunder of the Das Wilde, or their ID. They do a fine job being their own Wild faction, I think the Iseijin should be something else, so that's what I plan to do with it.

That's cool, would it still have acess to all the nomad tech and nomad RP or would it just be another rebel group like the BD...

They'd be remnants (supposedly) of the Nomad Controlled-Aoi Iseijin, mostly humans working with advanced tech. The few infected would be (or acting like) they're weaker, with no connection to the mindshare (could be a lie :/), they'd be a human faction run by a group of genetically superior humans with parasites in their heads.

Their grip on Nomad Tech would be far greater than the Order, but much less than the Nomads, as the majority of the Nomad's knowledge disappeared with the loss of connection (supposedly). They'd have Nomad-human hybrid tech, which is much like the Order with their two Nomad 10s.

The only tech the Iseijin designed themselves is perhaps a Class 9 Nomad gun or two, no more powerful than the best human tech really. A couple of those mixed with tech stolen and replicated from the KNF, and they're set.


Thanks for the feedback and thoughts guys, keep them rolling in. This is really helpful in helping me come up with new ideas or comparing pros and cons.

[DarthBindo]

What would the new Aoi's stance towards shipping and commerce be, particularly Interspace and the GMG?
seeing how the GC and BD are allied with them.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Akura]

What would the new Aoi's stance towards shipping and commerce be, particularly Interspace and the GMG?
seeing how the GC and BD are allied with them.

The GMG are in support of the BD, and by proxy, the GC I guess, meaning the Iseijin will pretty much be forced into liking them whether they want to or not.

As it goes though, the GMG are seen as a powerful group, controlling most of the Hfuel trade in Sirius, and having a historical victory against a military house. The Iseijin will admire the GMG for their tactics and attitude, and if the GMG are willing, trade agreements could be arranged.


As for other commerce, the Iseijin aren't too bothered, taking what they need in small quantities enough to survive.

With the IC's relationship to the GC, they could learn to ignore the IC, or come to a similar arrangement.


Trade ships directly supplying hostile groups such as the Order, Hogosha, Phantoms etc, they'll be turned around or blown up, nothing personal.

[DarthBindo]

Hmm.....but if you guys are unlawful against a Kishiro government...... kishiro's kinda down with the BD and GC....hell, that's actually a whole new topic.
Anyays, (thumbsup)

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Akura]

Hmm.....but if you guys are unlawful against a Kishiro government...... kishiro's kinda down with the BD and GC....hell, that's actually a whole new topic.

When Kishiro gains more influence, the GC and BD get left in the dark, and end up hating Samura less, and Kishiro a little more.

So it balances out kinda well I suppose, if the BD or GC have a problem with one of the Iseijin's target, they can make it known and it can be sorted out. I look forward to forging some interesting diplomacy stuff.


Thanks for bringing it up though. (y)

[Camtheman]

Well, one less Invite-Only faction that is clogging discoveries' advancement into the festival of lights.

Good, maybe ill start one, Nomad infected RP seems like a fun sci fi thing like, Alien or somesuch...

A bomber prolly if I do.

[Dusty Lens]

Because being connected to the Nomads means that the group is pretty much eternally cursed with the anti-Nomad bias that 98% of Sirius carries in their blood. Even if the Nomads continue to pull the strings behind the scenes, and let the Iseijin's freewill flourish, they could still serve a purpose to the Nomads.

I've been told at every turn through the years, largely in relation to people wishing to start nomad factions that weren't associated with the keepers, that disassociating oneself from the mindshare was impossible. When did that change?

[Akura]

I've been told at every turn through the years, largely in relation to people wishing to start nomad factions that weren't associated with the keepers, that disassociating oneself from the mindshare was impossible. When did that change?

If the Nomads don't want something to split, it doesn't happen. There's no such thing as a Nomad civil war, it's unthinkable.

Here, it's more that the Nomads either abandoned the Iseijin and decided to let them toy with freewill, or decided a new approach to the Iseijin and the remaining Iseijin are still run by the Nomads, in contact with the Nomads or working for them.

I've gotta work out the complicated lore related stuff with Yuri, but right now, this is one of my favourite future plans, so I figured I'd throw it out here.


Whatever happens, the Nomads aren't against the change, and thus do nothing to stop it, or it's part of their mysterious and complicated agenda. The Iseijin will have nothing against the Nomads, even if they are abandoned as a Nomad experiment of something, they'll not be in conflict with their (possible) former bosses.

Well, one less Invite-Only faction that is clogging discoveries' advancement into the festival of lights.

Good, maybe ill start one, Nomad infected RP seems like a fun sci fi thing like, Alien or somesuch...

A bomber prolly if I do.

rofl.

Glad you approve.

[Dusty Lens]

When you work out that complicated lore stuff you let us know. I'm sure it'll be interesting for future players who are interested in creating nomad factions which aren't connected to the mind share.

[mwerte]

I've been told at every turn through the years, largely in relation to people wishing to start nomad factions that weren't associated with the keepers, that disassociating oneself from the mindshare was impossible. When did that change?

since it became convenient to Akura to change 3 faction's lore for his own entertainment?

Nomad RP is crippled, always will be, so I want to seperate myself from it. End of.

disconnected from the Mindshare, they are weaker, and are unable to reproduce, a major problem considering they sacraficed a large number of them to return the unwillingly infected pilots home.

For the entire time I've been a Nomad guy, disconnection from the mindshare meant death or murderous insanity or both. If you're tired of Nomad RP, do something else, don't destroy a faction.

I could see the Iseijin being "Specters", willing workers for the Nomads, not necessarily Infestees but Devotees/desiring power/trying to get hybridized, ect. Then they have a few infected advisors helping shape the faction, but who are still connected to the Mindshare and still working towards the greater Nomad goals.

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