Xenos RP Gripe

[Capt. Henry Morgan]

My own Xeno is ex-Navy, and actually joined after busting out of the Battleship Missouri's brig before being transferred to a secure facility in Zone-21, after he killed his ship's captain on an LSF-sanctioned mission. He never spent a day on the Walls, and never picked up an ounce of the 'redneck' dialect, yet he is fully and completely committed to the Xeno cause.

That having been said. Ahem....

YEEEEEHAAAAWWWWWW!!!!!

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[Jihadjoe]

I suppose... (*cough* YEEEHAW), the point is that the xenos (especialy the XA) are a mixed bag.

You get some very literate and well spoken xenos and others who may well be as knowledgable about the cause (such as Jack Tar, aka Sidewinder) but are comletely and utterl redneck. The only connecting link in terms of background is that they are without exection (or should be at least) libertonian.

The politics they preach are rather shallow in reality, and not exactly tenable. However they do often appeal to a disenfranchised working class, especialy a patriotic one. The Xenos represent that element of society, and as such the dialectic speach is prevelant.

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

thats where the geographic ignorance steps in - for those that are not too familiar with the USA, like me being from most northern europe...

what exactly is the difference between those? - for me - the USA can roughly be separated into 3 parts only. - the north-east ( new england etc. ) - the midwest and the westcoast. - i guess what you describe as rednecks would fall into the "midwest" category, but i guess that my understanding is of course not even close to detailed enough.

by the way .... are there "really" ( i mean.. really in real life ) people that say "yeehaa", have a gun on their backseat and have like no sense of fashion like the stereotype "red-neck"? or is that only made up by the media. ( never been to the midwest - only to boston... and the people there are pretty much the very same you can find in any european city )

if there are no "real life" red-necks anyway... its all fiction and i guess can be made up anyway one likes it to be.

Just to interject a bit of 20th Century American geography, just for our European buddies...

Over here in America, we actually have:

1: Northeast - consists of the New England states (Basically from Delaware on up, although Virginia sometimes wants to be part of this region - very urban compared to the rest of the country, and tends to act, well, European, actually

1a: Midatlantic - we're confused - we want to be north, but we're also southern...

2: South - The Confederacy, suh. There may be some damn Yankees down here (by definition, a northerner that moved south - and stayed) - but we will rise again. Your pickup is NOT dressed out if it doesn't have a gunrack in the back window with either a hunting rifle or shotgun in it. There are bastions of infection, notably Atlanta and most of Florida, but otherwise, if you've seen the movie Forrest Gump, you're seeing the south. (Florida is national retirement home, where most of the old folks want to go. Seriously...)

3: Midwest - Pennsylvania to Missouri. Dairy farms with assorted large cities and factories. Lots of woodlands. I'm in Indiana, right in the middle of this.

4: Great Plains - Kansas out to Colorado, and I'm including the northern plains (Montana and Idaho) in this as well - either farms, grazing lands, or desert. Doesn't really include Texas, but sometimes can include Oklahoma. And yes, riding a horse and being a cowboy - literally, including with a six-gun on your hip - does still exist out there.

5: Southwest - Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and half of California - again, primarily open lands, with the start of the Rockies

6: West Coast - northern part of California, Oregon, Washington - primarily urban areas with large portions of wilderness

7: Hawaii and Alaska - they're totally on their own

In total area - about 9.8 million square kilometers, or twice the size of the EU - with just a little more than half the population of the EU (303 million compared to 500 million).

My brother and his kids and grandkids live in Mississippi, and yes, they do speak with that southern accent, drive pick-ups, eat crawdads, and holler, "YEEHAW!"

My in-laws live in Oklahoma, right in the middle of the Indian Nations, and yes, there really is a working oil rig on the state capital grounds there.

As far as the Xeno's in Freelancer and Disco are concerned ... well, the wiki says:

The origins of the Xeno movement are found within the populations of miners and laborers of the Colorado and Texas systems, disenfranchised as Libertys economy shifted from one of production towards a system dependant more upon information technology licensing and trade-lane associated monopolies. This shift pushed the laboring classes of Liberty from being the core of her strength, to the peripheries of her society.

Wait - I thought this was in the future - not what's actually going on today in the US...

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Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.

[tansytansey]

Well, the Xenos do have a base in Hudson, or was it Bering?, one system adjacent to Texas. That being said, there are no more places realisticly viable for the Xenos to build a base in Texas. The Rogues and Junkers take up all the good spots.

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[Dusty Lens]

We have a base in Texas, Huntsville.

We just don't like to dock there.

[Nevearo]

Let me get this straight. You think the system name actually corresponds properly with regional dialects from hundreds of years before settling them, as opposed to being assigned arbitrarily?

What about, you know, the other 46 states? (note: Guard systems and Alaska don't count due to a lack of civilian inhabitants) Were people from Virginia, Ohio, and Nevada just left off the ship when the Alliance left Sol?

The problem is that the game has a tendancy to parallel history. This is clearly understood by the attitude that most Xenos players have, having picked it up flavor from history. They look to what is there to gain flavor for their RP, and ignore the namesake of the system their primary base is in! Texas is not the United States, and the rednecks of the rest of the country are every bit as entertaining.
The main point I want to make is that the Xenos from Texas System and the Xenos from Colorado System would probably have two different cultures, coming from two different industries. It is entirely possible that there may even be animosity between the two (Ask anyone born and raised in colorado their opinion of someone from texas, reguardless of their situation. there is quite a bit of Animosity going at least that direction in the real thing.) If you are going to grab out of reality for flavor, please take a look at the whole situation before you gather it!

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This is my gripe. You have a vast, diverse area, and what is being used to represent the entire Xenos movement is the Southwest, which is more similar to the south than the Great Plains or the Rockies (Which was missed.) These areas have an entirely different way of thinking, and mimicing the culture of the southwest to create a good flavor of Xenos should be done when you are from the southern bases. it makes more sense.

I think your list was good, but you grouped some real political messes together

6:
6.1 SoCal (Southern California. LA, San Diego area being pretty prominant there. Not sure it's real border.)
6.2 Pacific Northwest (Northern California, Oregan, Washington)
--This is the source of an honest to goodness attempt that pops up every few years in California to split the state into two states. Southern California really IS a different state, although Northern California resembles what is in Oregan.

8:
8.1 The Rockies (Parts of Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, and Alaska{Here is where the Sarah Palin effect came in}) I have also observed a similar Cultural style in the Dakotas, but I didn't spend enough time there to be sure.
--Mountain Culture from the Center of the United States is very unique, and often in almost open conflict with the Great Plains cultures around it.

8.2 Hawaii (It is it's own Culture)
--Since Alaska was pulled out, this now sits alone

I've also heard of an "Appalachian" style of culture. I wouldn't have the first clue where that is, but it is supposed to be as unique as the south.

[Thexare]

I've also heard of an "Appalachian" style of culture. I wouldn't have the first clue where that is,

I'd have to guess near the Appalachian Mountains. :rolleyes:Wiki link. Basically right in my back yard.

But! I'll tell you what. Since you see fit to dictate the RP of Xenos, how about you join the Xeno Alliance and show us just how much of an expert you really are on the subject, hm?

Note: User is not a Xeno. Yeehaw?

[Jimothy]

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Who cares, YYEEHHHAAAWWW!!!!

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[Dusty Lens]

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