SCRA Politics - Proposing an idea

[Lt.Cmdr.Olsav]

ill be honest im on a loaner machine while im recuperating in the hospital from my acl surgery so i havent been ingame or on skype so im a bit lost lol, if anyone would care to pm with an answer or something id much appreciate it:)

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RAHF.Lt.Karol.Olsav
fmr Lord Solar Admiral of the Helghast, fmr.RAHF-Olsav-[Cpt], fmr. {Helghast}(LSA-vhf)~Olsav, fmr.{Helghast}(LSA)~Olsav, aboard HCS. Kesselring

[Xing]

Every houses be our enemies... no big deal as to myself.

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[Chico]

All these extra marital affairs really affect the ID cards...

Anyway, Hessians helping the RM?
I wouldn't think so. Maybe not attacking them but helping?
Why do we say the Liberty navy is stronger than the Rheinland one?
Rheinland military were winning against the Kusari military during the Nomad war. From an earlier post, I read the Kusari military is winning against the Bretonians. That makes Liberty, the top dog. They can stomp anyone?
I'm not a fan of that theory but....
The current trade embargo with Liberty and Rheinland is making the Unioners life particularly difficult. Few legitimate traders pass from one to the other now because of it.
Why would the Unioners automatically side with Rheinland?
Liberty might offer them Hamburg as a sweetner. How about offering the Bundschuh their own province of Frankfurt?
What about giving Dresden to the Hessians, along with Omega 11 for the mining rights?
Stuttgart for the farmers?
All of them paying a small tithe to the government?
These are just suggestions, possibilitys.
Remember, after a war with Rheinland, assuming Liberty wins (and it appears the consensus is exactly that) the Liberty navy is going to be in no fit state to hold off the Hessians. These guys have fought the Rheinland military to a standstill over Dresden and at the same time captured the corsair base in 47. All this and still taking the war to "Sirius' largest pirate group". These guys are combat vets and have been at war far longer than the Rheinland - Liberty tussle has been running.
Try to think about this from Libertys point of view.
"Huzzah, we captured New Berlin and we only lost 50% of our armed forces"!
Meanwhile, Corsairs are swarming in through Munich and Sigma 13. Bundschuh are creating merry hell for everyone. Unioners are sitting slap bang in the middle of the war zone. Hessians are massing. They have the ships and the technology and the money. What is Liberty going to do?
They're going to have to offer them huge concessions. Massive support for the Bundschuh to hold the corsairs out of Frankfurt. Give the Hessians free reign from Dresden down. Who knows?
They may even clandestinely support them. Lets be honest. Any help that they give the Hessians will be thrown at the corsairs who won't be able to fight for Munich/Frankfurt so effectively because of it.
Then, ban all imports from the Liberty conglomerate Synth Foods into Rheinland which effectively ends all LWB opposition. Finally, stomp on the Unioners who have no friends (except the SCRA) and are, with only one non gaurd base, possibly the weakest.
Everyone gains except Rheinland (and the Unioners).
If the rheinland pirate factions aid rheinland, what do they get?
A militarily weakened force who is now a massive economic titan. How long, with those kinds of resources do you think it would take to rebuild the military?
If it were the other way round, Rheinland would effectively control Liberty space in it's entirety. Rogues and Hackers are really, nothing more than highway men. Xenos are terrorist with limited power.
Yeah, sure you could wring agreements from them but how long would they last?
Remember too that it would be the same people in power. The same companies whispering into the same ears. The same corruption perpetrated by the same people.
They would effectively be supporting their enemy against someone who may be prepared to help them. Without that part of the RP, your never going to know I suppose.
Bear in mind also that even if Liberty did change it's mind at a later date, they would only hold real power in Hamburg and New Berlin. New Berlin would be surrounded on all sides bar one by hostiles if they 'changed their mind'.

Either way, I would imagine the SCRA would be cooling it's alliance with the Hessians pretty quickly.
Whatever happens, the Unioners are going to get stomped so that won't please them. The Bundschuh, I would have thought would have proved fertile ground for them as well being political disidents and outcasts.
If the Hessians side with Rheinland, the SCRA could be in trouble. If they side with Liberty, then they'll be in trouble for sure. Just a little later, thats all.

Thats my 2 bob.

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[greasemunky]

I'd think that the Hessians and Rheinland wouldn't openly ally, so much as a reduction of hostility, and I'd imagine that the SCRA would use the war to kick it up a notch, do a bit more stuff.

[Lt.Cmdr.Olsav]

may i enquire why two people with nothing to do with these policies would post?

at least dab runs a group that would be affected by any diplomacy changes.

However im getting apathetic to the rheinlanders, kill em all, and hope to god the corsairs lose omega 5

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RAHF.Lt.Karol.Olsav
fmr Lord Solar Admiral of the Helghast, fmr.RAHF-Olsav-[Cpt], fmr. {Helghast}(LSA-vhf)~Olsav, fmr.{Helghast}(LSA)~Olsav, aboard HCS. Kesselring

[Jose Benitez]

The reason people (that on the face of it) don't have anything to do with these proposed polices posted, is because in the very first opening post of the topic the 'community' was asked for feedback on a policy proposal.

In addition to which I am firmly of the belief that at least one of those people has a Character that is likely to be affected by any policy change.

The changes aren't likely to only affect the RM, SCRA and the Hessians, but all of the parties that those groups have any sort of relations with (good or bad). These sorts of policy changes will affect decisions by other factions/groups as it will potentially change the balance of power.

Perhaps if the RM are under pressure from Liberty, Hessians, internal factions etc etc. they might consider an alliance with the Corsairs....... but then again, perhaps not. :)

[Blodo]

Why would Rheinland ever want an alliance with Corsairs? Why would the Corsairs want one with Rheinland? If an alliance deal came through, it would probably consist of Corsairs abandoning their robberies in Sigma-13, why would the bloodthirsty pirate nation ever want to do that?:P

Aside from that while Chico has a good point, and there would likely be opposition against helping Rheinland fight off Liberty amongst the Hessians (there may be one among the Bundschuh), the motion that the RHA is going to follow will be to help the Military hold off Liberty for as long as possible in order to drag the fight on and drain both the Rheinland Military and the Liberty Navy of their resources. They don't need to attack the Rheinland Military to do that, since it is already quite a lot weaker than the LN (in RP). If the Hessians succeed into driving the war into a stalemate (even if with Liberty having a slight advantage due to their war fleet), the Rheinland Revolutionaries would likely be able to garner more support at home with the far weaker Military and Police presence. Rather than giving away Hamburg and New Berlin to Liberty in return for having their own small one-system province, they would be able to unite Rheinland under one banner and replace the government in one go. And the spiel goes from there.

So basically the stakes are much higher here. Remember that Rheinland unlawfuls have a strong sense of nationalism and comradeship. They won't be fighting each other when the future of the entire house is possibly in their hands.

Not to mention while the RM is busy with the LN up north, it frees up more resources for the Hessians to throw at Omega-5, 47 and 11, which also benefits the SCRA...:P

[Chico]

More questions...and possible implications.

So what will Rheinland (the official government) do about getting the SCRA to stop their offensive?
Will they ask the Hessians to 'have a word'?
If you were in power, I would imagine that you would ask the Hessians to get the SCRA to back off. I don't know the Hessian/SCRA politics on that one though I can imagine that if the SCRA are the old earth Coalition, they would love for governments to fall and would probably be only too willing to sabotage supply convoys throughout Rheinland and if possible, Liberty. As well as soft military targets. As much civil unrest as possible. War between the houses is a dream for them I would have thought although I'm open to contradiction....

As for the Bundschuh, they'd probably be offered something by Liberty being a politically motivated group. They are too small to offer significant help against Liberty but very well placed to cause Rheinland all sorts of problems.

How about the GMG?
They may get involved, allying themselves with Liberty and striking down through Frankfurt. Taking the fight to the old enemy. Remember they are skilled guerilla fighters (I think I remember my RP correctly). This of course will have quite an affect on the Bundschuh position

Unioners went to war against Rheinland allied with one of her enemies in the past so there is no love lost there.
A war between the two houses opens up a myriad of options for them being based across the frontline. They do not have a 'strong sense of nationalism' and the only 'comradeship' they feel to anyone is probably with the Coalition more than anyone.
They may prove to be a thorn for both Liberty AND Rheinland. They have little to lose. Rheinland will never give them what they want and Liberty will probably try to stomp them as fast as possible. Between the proverbial 'hammer' of Rheinland and the 'anvil' of Liberty you might say.

The LWB...assuming that given the war, Synth Foods cannot get near Rheinland, their war is over. They are now keen supporters of the Rheinland regime. They are getting everything they want. Does that mean they have a relevence any longer?
I hope so but I can't see it with the ID description they have now. Maybe it needs an edit?

Er..Jose, I hope the bit about a corsair alliance was said with tongue firmly in cheek hermano!

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[Jose Benitez]

Very very very firmly. :)

[Carlos_Benitez]

The Hessians are socialist, I believe, so SCRA wanting to help them sounds good.
However, both Rheinland and Liberty represent absolute capitalism. I'd have thought the Coalition would be more likely to want to let them destroy eachother.
IMO, the best way the SCRA could contribute might be by antagonising both sides, feeding misinformation and basicly playing one off against the other in order to maximise the damage to both houses and destabilize their governments. That's also how I imagine the Hessians would behave.

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