Pirating, amount of money

[Robert.Fitzgerald]

So, it should be against the server rules for a pirate to demand credits? They'd have to fill their small cargo holds (fighter -> bomber ->gunboat) with a commodity, often destined for lawful bases?

Right.

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[Jonathan_Archer_nx01]

1. If priates/criminals had your bank details they would wipe them out compleatly.
2. Most traders don't own there ship, they belong to a larger company (i.e Like lorry drivers) so they would never have 2 million on them as they wouldn't even get payed that
3. Even if they owned there own ship they wouldn't carry around a "bank card" with them that had millions on it. (They would most likley setup the deals via secure channels from a planet where there base of operations is, not from a ship)

overRPing lol
You're now talking about big corporations(npcs) who can transport over 999,999 units per container. But we're independent/freelancing (some even with FL ID). And Sirius law limits our cargo hold to 5000.



None of my lost characters was a pirate. And I didn't see a problem with taxex. You know, 2 million irrelevant for someone who owns a Train. I remember a group of Corsair in Sigma-13 who asked for some credits for starving children on Crete. They really touched my heart:ylove:I gave them 5 million. The maximal tax I've ever paid was 8.5 mil to Outcasts.

You know what helpes? Just don't be rude, be nice cool and polite and back up it with some story or a good reason.

[chovynz]

Taxing people isnt Oorp. Thats just Traders complaining talk.
If you got mugged and you werent carrying your wallet the
possibility is there that they would conk you out, and take
your jacket/shoes/etc. If they are particularly nasty they stab you.

Mugging and Cargo taking are parts of FL. Role Play it.
Put a bounty on the pirates instead of complaining on here.

Asking for money instead of cargo is just as valid a pirating act.
Be grateful they dont ask you for bananas, because THAT
is a demand you cannot fulfil. Then they have the opportunity to shoot you.

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[Stucuk]

So, it should be against the server rules for a pirate to demand credits? They'd have to fill their small cargo holds (fighter -> bomber ->gunboat) with a commodity, often destined for lawful bases?

Right.

It will never be against the rules as its common practice and no pirate factions will want to give up a good source of income. Real Pirates who are outlawed steal alot of there goods so they can live, like Food, clothes, etc. When you raid a ship you should have a pirate cargo ship with you to transfer the goods to. Criminals that steal goods never get the full market value, why should FL be any different? You seem to be saying that if Pirates acted like Real Life pirates then you wouldn't make any money.

You know, 2 million irrelevant for someone who owns a Train

Doesn't matter if you can afford 2 million. In FL you have to buy your own ship, in Real Life most would have a ship given to them by the company that there a part of. This is where game logic and real life are seperate. Just because you have more money in the Game (Because you have to to get new ships and buy cargo) doesn't mean you would in RP.

Taxing people isnt Oorp. Thats just Traders complaining talk.
If you got mugged and you werent carrying your wallet the
possibility is there that they would conk you out, and take
your jacket/shoes/etc. If they are particularly nasty they stab you.

I havn't ever payed pirates. No pirate has every asked me for cargo. It is oorp for pirates/criminals not to act like Pirates/Criminals, all criminals/pirates steal whatever you have on you, they don't ask for money or they will kill you, especialy to lorry drivers.

Mugging and Cargo taking are parts of FL. Role Play it.
Put a bounty on the pirates instead of complaining on here.

When do criminals Mug lorry drivers? They don't, they go for the CARGO as what the driver has on him (Proberly under 100 pounds/dollers/whatever isn't worth anything compaired to the cargo). You may want to note that i havn't complained, i just stated that people arn't RPing pirates/criminals how pirates/criminals act.

Asking for money instead of cargo is just as valid a pirating act.
Be grateful they dont ask you for bananas, because THAT
is a demand you cannot fulfil. Then they have the opportunity to shoot you.

Obvacly its "valid" as everyone is doing it, but that doesn't mean that its how pirates/criminals act. Taking what is in your hold is what pirates/criminals do.

You may want to actualy read what Piracy is as Extortion isn't Piracy. Note that criminals don't go upto lorry drivers and Extort them for money as they don't make enough money for any criminal to be interested.

Everyone on this server goes on that LOL isn't RP, but when something meaningfully isn't RP'd right people go on about the person who identifies it as complaining... Oh and you may want to note that i ACTUALY have a pirate account before you say that im "complaining because i got robbed" again.

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[El Nino]

Well... pirates in real world actually take the whole ships, kidnap passangers and sell them for ransom...

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[Stucuk]

Well... pirates in real world actually take the whole ships, kidnap passangers and sell them for ransom...

Yes but they don't extort the drivers then let them get on there merry way, espeicaly with a FULL cargo hold.

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[El Nino]

Yes but they don't extort the drivers then let them get on there merry way, espeicaly with a FULL cargo hold.

Well if it could be done, we'd take the whole damn thing and sell it for scrap metal... 60Mil of each advanced train... YAAAY...

Taxing is perhaps a little odd, (thou not for some factions) but the most appropriate way to go about pirating considering gameplay posibilities... Taxing in realitiy is pirates telling traders they can get away by bribing them... if things were RP to the max, the pirat would come demanding the whole ship and it's crew to his service, and the trader would scream.. "No No, don't kill us all, We pay you!" ... the pirate would then respond, "Oh yeah?" Yes yes, we have 2Mil that we'll transfer to your account if you let us go onwards without threat.... That's how it should be.

But since traders don't value their life, they don't bargain with the pirate for it... So the pirate can squeeze in some money for simply being an obstacle in traders ultimate goals...

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[Stucuk]

But since traders don't value their life, they don't bargain with the pirate for it...

People don't RP acceptable terms because pirates are asking for fixed fees. 99% of pirates don't seem to care about RP, they just want some easy money and ask stupid fees. For example one time i was asked to pay 2 million with a low end trader ship which couldn't even make 2 million without something like 4 trade runs, thats not a RP bribe. Pirates should ask for everything which isn't bolted down if they want to RP pirating, not fixed 2 million fees.

If a pirate would ask for goods insted of fixed money values(As in a Pirate actualy RPing), i may actualy run less times from pirates and RP insted when im in a trader character. You may be in the 1% which actualy RP's, but the rest just do the "2 million or your dead" speach, which is far from RP and doesn't allow for any leyway(SP).

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[BaconSoda]

People don't RP acceptable terms because pirates are asking for fixed fees. 99% of pirates don't seem to care about RP, they just want some easy money and ask stupid fees. For example one time i was asked to pay 2 million with a low end trader ship which couldn't even make 2 million without something like 4 trade runs, thats not a RP bribe. Pirates should ask for everything which isn't bolted down if they want to RP pirating, not fixed 2 million fees.

If a pirate would ask for goods insted of fixed money values(As in a Pirate actualy RPing), i may actualy run less times from pirates and RP insted when im in a trader character. You may be in the 1% which actualy RP's, but the rest just do the "2 million or your dead" speach, which is far from RP and doesn't allow for any leyway(SP).

How many traders actually negotiate, though? Not very many. Never have I met a trader that wants to negotiate a price with me or offers me money instead of the cargo demands I make, and I've had this character since I registered here and I have had several other pirates as well. As a truly biased pirate, I have to say that as much as a pirate puts into a pirating attempt, 2/3 of the traders I pirate translate it into "2 million or die!" or "Cargo or die!" and no matter what you ask for, that is the way most people will interpret it.

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[Stucuk]

There proberly is alot of traders who wouldn't RP, but if the Pirates say "2 Million or Die" its showing that they arn't going to RP(even if you would give them 1.5 million chances are they would just go "Your a lvl 99999999999 you can aford 2 million", or "Your in Ship X you have to have at least 2 million"), so why should a trader bother to waste his Fingers typing out RP when the pirate is just going to blow you up unless you give him his easy 2 million credits.

The follow is what happens, say im in a Rhino(80 cargo hold), i have unlimited money and a extremely high lvl(i know that iv picked an extreme example):

Pirate: Hault Stucuk
Pirate: 2 Million credits or die!

Thats not what i call RP, it Shouldn't just be "2 Million Credits or Die!". Espeicaly how pirates are ment to take cargo not the money which the drivers DON'T have on them cos they don't get payed 2 million. Pirates saying "or Die" just shows there unwillingness to compromise, saying "Your Cargo or X Money Please" is far better at showing a pirate is willing to compromise and come to a deal that both parties could agree on. Also saying stuff like "Ill charge you 1 million more if you don't stop now" is also far from RP, but pirates do it. Its just about money not RP.

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