Zoner RP Solutions

[bluntpencil2001]

Zoners are not hiding anyone! People come and stay there openly. It is up to you to come and try to take them out. You have whole system to try to do it, besides the NFZ. You brake it you die. Same as anyone else...

I would like to see anybody trying to bomb Swiss though...

So, it would be like the Swiss welcoming Al Qaeda openly?

Excuse me, but that is something of a bad idea.

They're neutral. They wouldn't do that.

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[Lucend]

Sorry everyone, I had to take a shower because of this thread.

Everything was better in the old days. The AW were a hated foe, but I long for those days again. Defending Crete with only a couple of amigos along with the Coalition before they had their fancy ships and weapons. Oh what have we become, my brothers.

And Bretonia didn't invade.

Okay, so people come from either Poole or Dublin in Bretonian ships talking with Bretonian accents with BAF IFFs and shooting with Bretonian guns. Right, because their IDs say differently, they are clearly not Bretonians. Good work Mr. Stewart! Sir judge, I would like to have this witty scoundrel removed post-haste!

Seriously people, this is about as subtle as the Superman - Clark Kent connection.

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"The thirteen saloons that had lined the one street of Seney had not left a trace. The foundations of the Mansion House hotel stuck up above the ground. The stone was chipped and split by the fire. It was all that was left of the town of Seney. Even the surface had been burned off the ground.
Nick looked at the burned-over stretch of hillside, where he had expected to find the scattered houses of the town and then walked down the railroad track to the bridge over the river. The river was there."

Osaika Moto, the Fall and Rise of a Kusari Farmer

Juan Lucendez, √ Corsair

[Elsdragon]

SOme people have diffring views of neutrality. Its if they Just said " ANYONE COME AND STAY!" without any names involved.

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[dead_shot]

So, it would be like the Swiss welcoming Al Qaeda openly?

Excuse me, but that is something of a bad idea.

They're neutral. They wouldn't do that.

ANYONE is innocent until proven otherwise... Al Qaeda is a name for specific organisation not a nation. Corsairs and Zoners are considered to be nations in this game. Nations cannot be genocidal (generalisations of that sort are idiotic reason which is most commonly used as an excuse for - genocide).

So, you provide names, you place bounties and you do your job! If you have evidence that any Zoner wronged against you provide them and Council will decide about punishment. Simple as that.

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the path to hell is paved with good intentions!

[Linkus]

In that case, the Molly's will turn up and bomb the living bejesus out of Gran Canaria. We are pretty damn insular in our needs and have entire systems filled with gold. Why would we care about the Zoners?

Seriously, the Corsairs committed genocide against the Molly people. I doubt there is a Molly in Sirius who would not want to see the Corsairs hunted down to extinction.

From an OOC standpoint:

Bretonia is being attacked by Corsair vessels launching from Gran Canaria. They want the Zoners to tell them to cut it out.
Simple.
The Mollys want to slaughter every Corsair on that damn planet.
Not so simple.

So yes, two situations that could cause problems.

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[dr lameos]

To expand upon what Ktayn said, this is almost exactly the same situation as the unioners at Freeport 2, so why not react in a canon, precedented way?

Build a third station in Omega 49, for the corsairs to base out of. They can still visit Canaria, repair their ships, get some food, stay temporarily, but have no permanent residence. This could be a large colony station, so its capable of the numbers, and could rotate them with the planet if/when necessary.

That way the Zoners can say they've evicted the sairs, the sairs still have a base, and access to GC, The brets can't complain.

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[globalplayer-svk]

ok, my few cents on this.

blunt, forcing zoners to cut their neutrality only because bretonia will it? bad idea. zoners will not make enemies from their neighboors.
and zoners neutrality is not as you will it: move all hostile to us away from your bases, but something in line with: all that are not shooting us, can dock here and stay, ... simply and clear...
you scream about zoners and corsairs, but zoners are neutral to kusari too, to outcasts, rogues,mollies, etc etc... and majority of them is enemy of bretonia goverment. so what you will? that zoners close doors for all of them only because you will it? or only because bretonia will it?
and lot of people here is screaming, that this all happened because corsairs attack bretonia from gran canaria, just 2 things to it.

which inteligent will go from gran canaria, when cadiz in omega 5 is much much closer???

and when military/police ships undock from freeport and then attack a pirate, can pirate demand closing freeports for entire house???

and blunt your words about swiss and qaeda, well that organisation is stated as teroristic by almost whole world, but bretonia is not whole world...

and linkus, mollies are maybe angry on corsairs for bombing their planet, but they will not make a so bad step and bombard zoners planet. because then zoners start hostility to them, red hessians will be not so much happy from that too, and rogues, well, they are far far away...

and linkus, for the ooc:
as i typed, majority of corsairs use cadiz as base for attacks, few k from jh to cambridge for your info...

and why are all taking so big care about corsairs attackign bretonia? bretonia loosed some bases to corsairs or kusari? i think you know answer,and you know what is then more dangerous enemy.
on the other side, few weeks ago all cryed how is bretonia empty... now are all crying why are pirates there...

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and has not zoners shown their neutrality to bretonia when they allowed so much refugges in system where is so much corsairs, and they can guarantie their safety???

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[dead_shot]

On the other hand: This thread deserves to be moved to "flood" a.s.a.p.

Discussions that include impossible analogies between the RL and FL do not belong here imho!

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the path to hell is paved with good intentions!

[Bjorn]

I think that very large number of lost, confused, and otherwise politically uneducated people are trying to cope with words, ideas and theories that are way beyond their scope.

Bounties aside, one can clearly and in rp create a faction of sadistic lunatics that hate zoners for ten different reasons and shoot them freely again if they want. No big deal here.

Neutrality doesnt mean you dont take sides, it means you take side of yourself and try to dodge situations like this. But when you are cornered, its time to either rise the white flag or claw your way back. Its certanly not time to use oorp and other non game means to deal with issue.

Very large amount of factions is in rp annoyed by Zoner presence and existance. Expecially by their doctrine of letting anyone land on freeports. Corsairs are annoyed at BHG, mollies and hessians are annoyed at corsairs, outcasts despise img and so on and so on. Only reason zoners are still standing is not their "usefullness" because frankly, corsairs can without problem storm freeport and use biodomes. Reason is that Zoners have lately became super power of immense strenght. (for those who dont understand the term, it means they have enough people, ships, connectuons and supplies that they can seriously tip the scale of any encounter on global scale. That is why america and russia are superpowers, but for example egypt isnt.)

Also there are several things that seem troubling to understand to zoner players from what can be read and seen.

First, your NFZ(no fire zone) is just word on paper. And we all know it. If you cant enforce it (and you can, but you arent for now) its simply letter on paper and people will walk over it, simply because they are risking their life if they accept it, because they know someone else might ignore it.

Additionally, you claim you will give asylum to every joe and rick, while you dont seem to understand that if you cant defend those you are giving asylum to, then you are gonna become collateral damage. And its your fault for not understanding it. Every military and paramilitary group is aware that you cannot defend what you say, so they can simply walk over it.

Neutrality isnt earned by words, its earned by words backed up by guns.

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[Benjamin]

To expand upon what Ktayn said, this is almost exactly the same situation as the unioners at Freeport 2, so why not react in a canon, precedented way?

Build a third station in Omega 49, for the corsairs to base out of. They can still visit Canaria, repair their ships, get some food, stay temporarily, but have no permanent residence. This could be a large colony station, so its capable of the numbers, and could rotate them with the planet if/when necessary.

That way the Zoners can say they've evicted the sairs, the sairs still have a base, and access to GC, The brets can't complain.

I am going to quote this in case someone missed it the first time. This is an excellent idea.

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