As a person who on countless times had to come up with some crappy reason why another player docked with a station affiliated with a faction I lead, I myself find it annoying.
That aside, since it isn't singular to your faction.
Can I ask why the carrier was blown to bits? As far as I am aware these is the current policy on foreign warships:
Quote:If a ranking officer is not present, entrance into the house of Liberty is denied. Warships found within the house of Liberty without prior permission from a primary fleet officer will be, depending on the conditions, escorted out of the house of Liberty or boarded and diverted to moor on Norfolk shipyard in New York. If additional security is required due to the nature of the ship, it will be relocated to San Jacinto station in Virginia. Any resistance will result in the warship being destroyed.
From that thread I saw no sign in that it resisted. I did see that he was trying to leave Liberty, willingly, at which point he was ordered to stay. I can understand that, there are plenty of role play reasons for asking him to hold on.
I guess what I am getting at is:
-Did he resist?
-If he didn't why did you blow him up?
I am not the pilot in question, just curious about your role play.
' Wrote:Who needs 5000's when we have 12 guns and cruiser armor? You know, BowEx deliveres regards to pirates since, eh, let it be 66 A.S. Also, who needs salary when you can get profitable contracts and gunboat escorts as a BowEx depratment working for military needs?
Liberty still has its own transport capable of shooting bad guys around. Sad that those large sluggish ugly trains are too popular.
No, the Mastodon is horrible, I owned one for months and it is an nightmare to pilot, but thats a matter for another thread <_<
As a person who on countless times had to come up with some crappy reason why another player docked with a station affiliated with a faction I lead, I myself find it annoying.
That aside, since it isn't singular to your faction.
Can I ask why the carrier was blown to bits? As far as I am aware these is the current policy on foreign warships:
From that thread I saw no sign in that it resisted. I did see that he was trying to leave Liberty, willingly, at which point he was ordered to stay. I can understand that, there are plenty of role play reasons for asking him to hold on.
I guess what I am getting at is:
-Did he resist?
-If he didn't why did you blow him up?
I am not the pilot in question, just curious about your role play.
The carrier, first off, is not allowed in Liberty, period. Even if he HAD asked [LN] for permission, he would not have gotten it. ONLY they can grant a foreign warship passage through Liberty. We tried to hold him, so we could wait for [LN] to arrive, but he refused, and attempted to flee, numerous times. He docked, then took off again, when faced with our Dreadnought, he opened fire and attempted to shoot his way through. Clearly this person had no idea what they were doing. Even that would be enough, but in addition, he ADMITTED to coming through Alaska/Zone-21, which is in itself grounds for the Navy to blow you to little bits. Had he stopped and waited as we asked, he would have (probably) come out whole, unless [LN] decided to attack him, which would be perfectly reasonable given the situation.
As for the thread, I really don't care if Planetform does anything (Im not even sure if the faction is still active), I was simply doing my RP due diligence. They could ignore it for all I care. If your sick of pirates fleeing to Freeports or something, then take action against it. If you cant think of anything Id be happy to help you come up with ideas.
Quite frankly, it is completely unreasonable for (indie) Zoners to keep doing this and expect to still be treated as neutrals, I have an entire folder, which I will PM upon request, of Aquilons, Corvos, Fearlesses, and Conferences parading through Liberty, smuggling Cardamine and/or Nomads, pirating, or using Alaska as their personal highway. Also, as a final note, please remember, the Treaty of Bethlehem does NOT allow your warships free access to Pennsylvania.
' Wrote:when faced with our Dreadnought, he opened fire and attempted to shoot his way through.
That would have answered my question. Though I now have some more feedback:
Learn how to take a question and answer it without being defensive and attacking the person who questioned you. More than half of your post has no relevance to my question and implies I am a lolwutter.
I'd also ask that instead of hording images of people breaking the rules applied on them by their IDs you report them, instead of filing them away in a folder and then complaining about it happening. If you don't report them or let anyone know, no one can address the issue. If you don't want to file a sanction on them, feel free to direct the information to my inbox. I'll attempt to talk to the individual. Usually however, if they are a indie Zoner in a cap ship who is breaking server rules, it is best to simply file a sanction; they usually don't listen to anyone.
Do remember that you aren't the only one who knows things a thing or two. I was around and involved when the Treaty of Beth was created and signed.
As for your offer about how to stop pirates from fleeing to Freeports. I'll pass, since it isn't only pirates doing it and is in fact both sides of the law that do it. Not to mention they are abusing a game mechanic, something which you nor I can control.
I asked because it seemed there was no reason to destroy him. As such I was wondering if TF7 role played as a overly aggresive force or if they had a role play reason to hate Zoners. Both of which could have also been a reason to blow the ship up.
' Wrote:That would have answered my question. Though I now have some more feedback:
Learn how to take a question and answer it without being defensive and attacking the person who questioned you. More than half of your post has no relevance to my question and implies I am a lolwutter.
I'd also ask that instead of hording images of people breaking the rules applied on them by their IDs you report them, instead of filing them away in a folder and then complaining about it happening. If you don't report them or let anyone know, no one can address the issue. If you don't want to file a sanction on them, feel free to direct the information to my inbox. I'll attempt to talk to the individual. Usually however, if they are a indie Zoner in a cap ship who is breaking server rules, it is best to simply file a sanction; they usually don't listen to anyone.
As a final note, do remember that you aren't the only one who knows things a thing or two. I was around and involved when the Treaty of Beth was created and signed.
As for your offer about how to stop pirates from fleeing to Freeports. I'll pass, since it isn't only pirates doing it and is in fact both sides of the law that do it. Not to mention they are abusing a game mechanic, something which you nor I can control.
Im not implying that you are a lolwutter, simply stating that Zoner lolwuts do exist. I dont know who you are, all I know is that you came into my factions thread and started making a stink over the destruction of a ship that (according to you) has no relation to you.
However, many of the actions are not in fact against server rules. For instance, moving an Aquilon through Liberty is not, to my knowledge, a sanctionable offense. Rather, it is a Roleplay action, one that should have ROLEPLAY consequences. Simply shrugging it off and saying let the Admins deal with it does nothing but create extra work for the Admin team.
Also, this is not the place for such a discussion, if you wish to continue, by all means contact me by PM.
' Wrote:Im not implying that you are a lolwutter, simply stating that Zoner lolwuts do exist. I dont know who you are, all I know is that you came into my factions thread and started making a stink over the destruction of a ship that (according to you) has no relation to you.
However, many of the actions are not in fact against server rules. For instance, moving an Aquilon through Liberty is not, to my knowledge, a sanctionable offense. Rather, it is a Roleplay action, one that should have ROLEPLAY consequences. Simply shrugging it off and saying let the Admins deal with it does nothing but create extra work for the Admin team.
Also, this is not the place for such a discussion, if you wish to continue, by all means contact me by PM.
Please do point out where I made a stink about a ship being blown up. If you think I am lieing about it not beloning to me, feel free to ask any member of OSI if I have any Zoner cap ships. For that matter ask them what my opinion on Zoner cap ships is. I'll give you a hint, I asked for them to be removed or put on SRP.
As for the actions by those who you claim to have images of. I didn't claim they were all rule violations. Nor are they all role play actions. Zoner cap ships are fairly easy to obtain, without any knowledge about how to use them. Most of their miss use stems from that problem. Nor did I ask you to shrug it off and let the admins handled it. I offered to look at it myself; as has at least one other Zoner leader. He hasn't received anything.
This is indeed the place to continue the discussion about what I asked. Perhaps not the place for what you talked about.
I saw a thread about your group blowing up a ship seemingly without a reason. I was curious if there was a reason behind it or if it was part of your groups role playing a overly aggressive force or some other role play reason. Everything about Zoners this and Zoners that was brought into discussion by you, not I.
' Wrote:Please do point out where I made a stink about a ship being blown up.
That would be your first post here.
' Wrote:If you think I am lieing about it not beloning to me, feel free to ask any member of OSI if I have any Zoner cap ships. For that matter ask them what my opinion on Zoner cap ships is. I'll give you a hint, I asked for them to be removed or put on SRP.
As for the actions by those who you claim to have images of. I didn't claim they were all rule violations. Nor are they all role play actions. Zoner cap ships are fairly easy to obtain, without any knowledge about how to use them. Most of their miss use stems from that problem.
I never accused you of lying. In fact, this problem belongs to every single faction. Look at the mess with O-7. Ever been to Liberty with a hostile ship? Good chance you'll me met by hordes of indie warships with little more RP then "engaging hostile."
' Wrote:Nor did I ask you to shrug it off and let the admins handled it. I offered to look at it myself; as has at least one other Zoner leader. He hasn't received anything.
Please show me where this other Zoner leader said that, I haven't seen anything.
' Wrote:This is indeed the place to continue the discussion about what I asked. Perhaps not the place for what you talked about.
I saw a thread about your group blowing up a ship seemingly without a reason. I was curious if there was a reason behind it or if it was part of your groups role playing a overly aggressive force or some other role play reason. Everything about Zoners this and Zoners that was brought into discussion by you, not I.
Unfortunately we are forced to destroy most of the caps that wander in without permission, because they are, as you said, lolwutters, who seem to have little or no RP skill and would rather try and use their ships to fight off the Navy then talk, as this person did. Im pretty sure the only type of capital ship we havent had try to fight its way through New York would be the Bretonian ones, since they always ask for permission.
' Wrote:I saw a thread about your group blowing up a ship seemingly without a reason. I was curious if there was a reason behind it or if it was part of your groups role playing a overly aggressive force or some other role play reason. Everything about Zoners this and Zoners that was brought into discussion by you, not I.
We don't like Zoners because they keep bringing warships into Liberty and refuse to leave/start shooting at us, like your Aquilon-flying friend here. As Miranda said, in-RP actions have in-RP consequences. The consequence for foreign warships with no house affiliation repeatedly entering our space and not leaving is that they endure spontaneous combustion. Bring a battleship into our sovereign territory and it's going to be perforated.
Please quote the part of my post that is specifically me making a big stink out of a ship being blown up.
' Wrote:I never accused you of lying.
You did. Here I'll quote it for you.
' Wrote:the destruction of a ship that (according to you) has no relation to you.
That is indeed accusing me of lying, not directly, but indirectly.
You are the one making a big stink over such a simple thing. I was merely curious about your role play, you turned it into something more than that.
I'll give you the same advice I got awhile ago in regards to feedback. Learn how to take the positive and the negative feedback. Mine wasn't negative feedback, but its clear you can't take negative need back.
' Wrote:We don't like Zoners because they keep bringing warships into Liberty and refuse to leave/start shooting at us, like your Aquilon-flying friend here. As Miranda said, in-RP actions have in-RP consequences. The consequence for foreign warships with no house affiliation repeatedly entering our space and not leaving is that they endure spontaneous combustion. Bring a battleship into our sovereign territory and it's going to be perforated.
Is it something in the water your group drinks?
I didn't complain because it was blown up. I asked what the role play reason for it was. Again, you'd be wise not to assume things. I haven't a clue who owns that carrier.
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