Who can use civilian guns?

[Titan]

I have never disagreed with that Global, I too think the civ weapons should be for all, read a bit up in my post. I just said that further discussing this is pointless, if I get sanctioned for something, you simply learn to accept it. And find a way around it, something else that will work. That way you are left with dignity and honor, and people look at you better. Complaining gives birth to complaining and it always ends up bad.

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[Spear]

They come from a wreck sitting at Omega 11, 30k from Stuttgart JG, with Daumann patrols around. You miss the point here.. I think it's ok to use civilian guns.. I think it's ok to use Buckshots when your guns are unusable, point was that other people started throwing stones.. not seeing what they use themselves.

On this I agree with you, I'm not missing your original point. I just see no need to start mentioning other factions that have no place in this debate. I couldnt care less if a Corsair mounts civillian guns, really.

And Kudos to globalplayer-svk for trying to point out a glitch I never even knew about in the Arwing. Should the outcasts now switch to the annoying slipstream to counter? I hope not. The Titan need some balance to compete with the Sabre I can agree with that. Hopefully soon the Outcasts and Corsairs can have new non-vanilla VHF's to play with that offer true balance.

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[Dab]

Alright, I don't have a big deal with the Tigershark, else I'd have brought it up when I first saw you using it. Admins have said it shouldn't be used though, and there is no point in arguing it. However, the Debs are not available in any possible RP way to the Corsairs.. Especially when the Corsairs have their own. The Debilitators were put in to give other factions hostile to the Corsairs a shieldbuster that was ALMOST as good as the Tizzy. Not to give the Corsairs another shieldbuster to use. Especially when it can only be gained by OORP docking on a hostile base.. Either way you deserve to be sanctioned.. Sanctioned for OORP weapons, or sanctioned for docking on a hostile base. You have to just to buy the weapon. And having no tag and a trader ID on your TBH/OPG/Benitez tagged ships doesn't mean your not hostile to them.. If your a TBH-tagged character, your Corsair, whether you've gained the tag and ID or not yet.


@Elgato; I, which isn't true of everyone here, am not bashing the Corsairs, only their use of OORP civvy shieldbusters.. And the thing that is the issue is that they are using them just so they can have equip-to-win loadouts.. The tizzys fit on LFs. 2 Class 8 slots, 2 Class 9s. They want the debbies so they can use class 9 hull busters on their LFs. They should be using Tizzys and class 8 hullbusters. That is their problem with them having the best shieldbusters. They shouldn't be able to make themselves better just by going RP when they can easily stay fully within RP by using a better shieldbuster and worse hullbuster. They just want to win, no matter what, and if that means throwing RP out the window, so what in their eyes. If they were using Tizzys and Salamanca Mk Is I wouldn't have a problem with them. But they are using Debbies so that they can use Salamanca IIs just to win. My LF doesn't have shieldbusters of any type at all and I just learn to deal with it, not try to get around it. They CAN use shieldbusters, but they get around the OORP so they can have a BETTER loadout that still uses shieldbusters.

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[bluntpencil2001]

I'd have to agree, to a point, here about Corsairs using shield-busters.

You don't get a level 8 shield-buster, which is unfortunate. However... Corsairs are the only faction with a level 10 shield-buster. Try something else on the Light Fighters, or work in teams of two.

I do think they should be allowed to use Tiger Sharks though. I don't want to fight against Arwings for multiple reasons, including it being bugged and it being from Lylat Wars.

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[mjolnir]

So the general consensus that comes from the sanction should be that everyone can use civilian guns except Corsairs.

Then it should have been posted more clearly in the sanction thread. From what I read it says that pirates can't use civilian guns.

I don't agree with sanctioning someone for breaking an invisible rule. There is always a warning to place.


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@ Dab stop it...

two pages back you wrote how you use BD HF to win because Eagle "can't fight the chimaeras". Sure a whole ship is not better than two guns.

EDIT: I'm not going on about arguing with Dab here about how he's always clean and everyone else just wants to win.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[globalplayer-svk]

dab,that sanction was not only about guns,but also about ship.....

and your words: They just want to win, no matter what, and if that means throwing RP out the window, so what in their eyes

are funny from someone who is use ship, that in RP can not be in his hands.(dragons conceal the design of this ship even from their pirate brethren/infocard)

so who here will win at all costs ? you are sure that eagle can not fight with knf ships? so why afa use for example civilian bomber and nod catamaran ? hmmm ?

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[bluntpencil2001]

Mjolnir makes a good point, but we may get into a forum trial of the admins now for a disagreement.

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[I_m_rdy]

I do think they should be allowed to use Tiger Sharks though. I don't want to fight against Arwings for multiple reasons, including it being bugged and it being from Lylat Wars.

It has been stated multiple times that there is a RP reason for TBH to use Tiger Sharks. I'll try to search the forums for such.

BTW, the Arwing model here is the one featured in the Gamecube Starfox. I'd really prefer to have the N64 Arwing included.

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[Dab]

@ Dab stop it...

two pages back you wrote how you use BD HF to win because Eagle "can't fight the chimaeras". Sure a whole ship is not better than two guns.

Hence we use ships from our ALLIES that we have full access to. Your using a ship from a neutral, and using weaponry from hostiles on your ships. If you see me flying a Chimaera or Catamaran then go and complain.

I think Debbies are sold by people hostile to you? Oh wait.. They are.

dab,that sanction was not only about guns,but also about ship.....

Yes, and I said that my problem is with the guns, not much with the ship. If the CR want to sell them to you, fine. If the admins have a problem with it, fine. I have a problem with you using guns available only from bases hostile to you..

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[Muleo]

We started out OPG Light fighters with the Arwing, but then everyone said it was bugged, and it was unfair to use it, as people cannot see projectiles, or scan your ship, so I ORDERED actually ORDERED that all Arwing be switched for Tiger Shark, thinking I was doing everyone fighting us a favour...

Now people complain that we use the Tiger Shark...


You really need to give TBH more credit, they're not using the Tiger Shark because it's better, they're using it because the Arwing is unfair to it's opponents.

As for the debs, that's something admins need to set a hard rule on, but I think it's a bit unfair for it to be taken away from Corsairs if Outcasts are allowed them..