Sorry, but when I'm being shot at by several NPCs + the train im trying to pirate (sometimes) I don't have much time to type up an essay. I mostly pirate in a bomber, which has to keep moving or be blown up.
Stuck, I would ask for "everything that's not bolted down" up to and including the galley silverware. unfortunatly the ingame mechanices won't let me do that. Ingame mechanics also won't let me eat the food I would steal, give my sweetie the billions of diamonds I have taken from exploded traders, build the fleet of warships from all the niobium, wear the clothes, patch up my ship with the engine componants, ect. But money will.
As for "not RPing because I give a fixed demand" Don't make me laugh, I am not a nice pirate, so why should I compromise? inRL I'm a pretty nice guy, so being a hard@$$ ingame is ROLEPLAYING. But I do make some compromises.
1) if the trader stops and doesn't shoot I tell him he has to make me happy with money, or he goes boom. If he gives me like 5 credits I introduce him to Mr. Supernova and tell him that I'm not happy.
2) I will let traders negotiate for x hours of free passage for x amount of money.
3) I let you chose, pay me or die.
Again, Stucuk, if you RP the death of your trader char (deleate char, start over) then I will respect your call for only making demands for cargo. until then, you're just complaing about something you don't like.
So by the time I read to the bottom of the first page, I had read the same answer about 5 different times. Crazy.
HAHA
But understandable.
Just to add my two cents in; No, there is no rule that sets how much is too much for a pirate to tax. But being an RP server, you don't know the rank of the person you're pirating, so basing tax off of rank is OORP, and then it's not necessarily true that pirates should stick to demanding cargo and guns and stuff, they need money to feed their family and buy weapons and repairs for their ships.
A pirate should be concidered lucky if he gets 5 mil in one days worth of pirating.
Now lemme plant this seed in your brains;
You say the traders using the diamonobium run is considered "power trading" and is frowned upon for technically being OORP. Right?
So, if you're a pirate and you're demanding more than 2-3mil or don't try to RP out a negotiable fee for ANY trader, that could be looked at as "power pirating" and concidered OORP. Because, well, unless you're a terrorist, you'd be looking for the quick buck and moving on to the next trader, and possibly taxing the same person more than once; Which would be more likely to happen in a real life situation, ya know?
' Wrote:There proberly is alot of traders who wouldn't RP, but if the Pirates say "2 Million or Die" its showing that they arn't going to RP(even if you would give them 1.5 million chances are they would just go "Your a lvl 99999999999 you can aford 2 million", or "Your in Ship X you have to have at least 2 million"), so why should a trader bother to waste his Fingers typing out RP when the pirate is just going to blow you up unless you give him his easy 2 million credits.
The follow is what happens, say im in a Rhino(80 cargo hold), i have unlimited money and a extremely high lvl(i know that iv picked an extreme example):
Pirate: Hault Stucuk
Pirate: 2 Million credits or die!
Thats not what i call RP, it Shouldn't just be "2 Million Credits or Die!". Espeicaly how pirates are ment to take cargo not the money which the drivers DON'T have on them cos they don't get payed 2 million. Pirates saying "or Die" just shows there unwillingness to compromise, saying "Your Cargo or X Money Please" is far better at showing a pirate is willing to compromise and come to a deal that both parties could agree on. Also saying stuff like "Ill charge you 1 million more if you don't stop now" is also far from RP, but pirates do it. Its just about money not RP.
Like Mwerte said, I don't know how flimsy your transport is, but when a pirate in pirating, they are under way more pressure than the train. I pirate in my fighter more than in anything else, and a couple of shots from a fighter is not as much damage to a transport as the transport's shots are to the fighter, not even to mention the NPCs floating around. Not everyone is like the AFA where I have enough time to disrupt you and write a five page essay at the same time simply because the police look the other way, sometimes loads of NPCs are a problem and can hurt, even for gunboats. The pirate has far less room to operate than the trader unless the trader did something stupid like is going by Kyoto Base or pirate base/planet.
' Wrote:Sorry, but when I'm being shot at by several NPCs + the train im trying to pirate (sometimes) I don't have much time to type up an essay. I mostly pirate in a bomber, which has to keep moving or be blown up.
As for "not RPing because I give a fixed demand" Don't make me laugh, I am not a nice pirate, so why should I compromise? inRL I'm a pretty nice guy, so being a hard@$$ ingame is ROLEPLAYING. But I do make some compromises.
1) if the trader stops and doesn't shoot I tell him he has to make me happy with money, or he goes boom. If he gives me like 5 credits I introduce him to Mr. Supernova and tell him that I'm not happy.
2) I will let traders negotiate for x hours of free passage for x amount of money.
3) I let you chose, pay me or die.
Again, Stucuk, if you RP the death of your trader char (deleate char, start over) then I will respect your call for only making demands for cargo. until then, you're just complaing about something you don't like.
Like he said, we do have the guns, and sometimes we can compromise, but sometimes, why should we? If I have my fighter and I come against a Luxury Liner, I'll say my normal spiel, but if he wants to give less instead of fighting, I'll let him go on his merry way because I know I can't kill him, and that all I can do is drain half his bots/bats and hold him there for a good 20 minutes (Although I would really like to kill him on my AFA). If I am on my bomber, though, pay up, because I have bigger guns than you.
There is also more going on during pirating than just die or live, also, you have to factor in the time you lost when getting pirated. If I make a luxury Liner lose 20 minutes of trading, that's profits lost. The profits lost could be equal to what the trader could've payed me in the first place or even more without destruction. There is a lot more to pirating about whether or not you kill your prey, and it's surely more difficult than people who haven't done it before make it out to be...
EDIT: Also, if I really wanted to make money, would I pirate? No, I would trade. Trading or Smuggling yields way more money than pirating, so why would I pirate if all I wanted was money? This is also coming from a man (or boy, if you take my age into account) that makes some 10 million credits everytime he goes out pirating.
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Quote:How many traders actually negotiate, though?
Quote:Like he said, we do have the guns, and sometimes we can compromise, but sometimes, why should we?
You brought it up, i just responded. Now your saying that pirates shouldn't negotiate with a Trader, yet you stated earlyer Traders should negotiate with pirates.... Make up your mind.
Quote:Sorry, but when I'm being shot at by several NPCs + the train im trying to pirate (sometimes) I don't have much time to type up an essay. I mostly pirate in a bomber, which has to keep moving or be blown up.
' Wrote:Like Mwerte said, I don't know how flimsy your transport is, but when a pirate in pirating, they are under way more pressure than the train. I pirate in my fighter more than in anything else, and a couple of shots from a fighter is not as much damage to a transport as the transport's shots are to the fighter, not even to mention the NPCs floating around. Not everyone is like the AFA where I have enough time to disrupt you and write a five page essay at the same time simply because the police look the other way, sometimes loads of NPCs are a problem and can hurt, even for gunboats.
A Transport can damage a fighter/bomber but a Fighter/Bomber can always beat a Trader's Transport ship. LVL 10 shields with some LVL9/10 weapons and the trader is dead. NPC's are nothing, and if you actualy pirate between tradelanes like most pirates then u very rarely have to worry about NPC's. Noone is asking for an Essay, but saying "Give me 2 million or Die!" isn't RollPlaying, its just a Easy way to make 2 million without having to get off your a*s. Asking for cargo would be Rollplay as its what real pirates would ask for.
Quote:The pirate has far less room to operate than the trader unless the trader did something stupid like is going by Kyoto Base or pirate base/planet.
Pirates have ALOT of room to operate, You obvacly can't go near lawful bases but u can happily sit between trade lanes knocking them down and pirating. Traders use tradelanes so if you sit in say California u can EASILY attack transports without any NPC's ever bothering you.
Quote:I'll let him go on his merry way because I know I can't kill him, and that all I can do is drain half his bots/bats and hold him there for a good 20 minutes (Although I would really like to kill him on my AFA). If I am on my bomber, though, pay up, because I have bigger guns than you.
With my Train i can only use bats 2 times to regain full shield, a Fighter can take down my shields within about 5 seconds, so thats about 15 seconds of shield, it shouldn't then take a long time to take my hull down. In that time iv say knocked your shields down low, as i can't easily turn to hit you you would get alot more shots off at me (If i go into Turret mode im a sitting duct and aiming is worse). So its not hard to kill a transport.
Quote:it's surely more difficult than people who haven't done it before make it out to be...
Its not difficult.
Quote:Also, if I really wanted to make money, would I pirate? No, I would trade. Trading or Smuggling yields way more money than pirating, so why would I pirate if all I wanted was money? This is also coming from a man (or boy, if you take my age into account) that makes some 10 million credits everytime he goes out pirating.
Well trading is less fun, as you mostly are just stairing at the screen while your ship autopilots to the next tradelane/jumpgate. So i assume quite a few would pirate insted to make money rather than trade. Tho thats just a guess.
Quote:Again, Stucuk, if you RP the death of your trader char (deleate char, start over) then I will respect your call for only making demands for cargo.
Noone deletes a character when they die, so what you said there is pointless. Pirates RPing properly and asking for cargo is far different to deleting a character.
Quote:until then, you're just complaing about something you don't like.
I can see you never read previous posts. Im not complaining about something i don't like. Im saying that pirates don't RP properly. If you want to do the "2 million or die!" then go ahead, all im stating is that it isn't RP to ask a driver of a transport for 2 million when in RP the driver would NEVER make 2 million. I also have a pirate account, so i do know both sides of the coin.
I keep hearing people state that its "not about the money", yet i also don't seem to hear the same people RPing for cargo. But insted defending there "right" to ask for 2 million or a persons life.
' Wrote:You brought it up, i just responded. Now your saying that pirates shouldn't negotiate with a Trader, yet you stated earlyer Traders should negotiate with pirates.... Make up your mind.
A Transport can damage a fighter/bomber but a Fighter/Bomber can always beat a Trader's Transport ship. LVL 10 shields with some LVL9/10 weapons and the trader is dead. NPC's are nothing, and if you actualy pirate between tradelanes like most pirates then u very rarely have to worry about NPC's. Noone is asking for an Essay, but saying "Give me 2 million or Die!" isn't RollPlaying, its just a Easy way to make 2 million without having to get off your a*s. Asking for cargo would be Rollplay as its what real pirates would ask for.
Pirates have ALOT of room to operate, You obvacly can't go near lawful bases but u can happily sit between trade lanes knocking them down and pirating. Traders use tradelanes so if you sit in say California u can EASILY attack transports without any NPC's ever bothering you.
With my Train i can only use bats 2 times to regain full shield, a Fighter can take down my shields within about 5 seconds, so thats about 15 seconds of shield, it shouldn't then take a long time to take my hull down. In that time iv say knocked your shields down low, as i can't easily turn to hit you you would get alot more shots off at me (If i go into Turret mode im a sitting duct and aiming is worse). So its not hard to kill a transport.
Its not difficult.
Well trading is less fun, as you mostly are just stairing at the screen while your ship autopilots to the next tradelane/jumpgate. So i assume quite a few would pirate insted to make money rather than trade. Tho thats just a guess.
Noone deletes a character when they die, so what you said there is pointless. Pirates RPing properly and asking for cargo is far different to deleting a character.
I can see you never read previous posts. Im not complaining about something i don't like. Im saying that pirates don't RP properly. If you want to do the "2 million or die!" then go ahead, all im stating is that it isn't RP to ask a driver of a transport for 2 million when in RP the driver would NEVER make 2 million. I also have a pirate account, so i do know both sides of the coin.
I keep hearing people state that its "not about the money", yet i also don't seem to hear the same people RPing for cargo. But insted defending there "right" to ask for 2 million or a persons life.
First off, it's all circumstantial. I would love for a trader to try and negotiate, but if a pirate refused, don't be surprised. It depends on what is going on to dictate whether or not a pirate should accept or reject a negotiation. A trader should always try and negotiate, though, because the pirate has guns, and he wants to live.
Second off, NPC's collect when you disable a lane. The only place I've ever seen them not collect is the Planet Stuttgart --> NB JG Trade Lane because of the LWB NPCs that fly in circles around it. If you pirate in Kusari or Rheinland, the NPCs do hurt, and they add a lot of pressure.
Third off, What would a pirate do with most of the commodities that are in Freelancer? What would I, as a Farmer's Alliance Pilot, do with Diamonds and Niobium? I'm trying to stop the flow of those things into Kusari, not sell it myself! What would me, as an LWB, need Engine Components or Beryllium for? We don't have a shipyard, so why would I need it? Who caries food, water, oxygen, or light arms around for no reason? No one, that's who, and I don't need or want the stuff they do carry around, so I'll go ahead and either take money, or blow your stuff up. If I took it, then Id have to sell it, and I'd much rather just take your money than take something I'd have to sell.
Fourth off, five seconds for your shield? Are you mistaking fighters for bombers or something? In a fighter it takes more than 35 seconds to destroy an advanced transports shields even with shield busters. Bombers are a different story. Bombers can easily destroy almost any transport without amazing piloting skills or connection. A fighter, though, doesn't have the luxury of a torpedo or mini razor, so they have to duke it out with nasty transport turrets. Also, try turret mode again. Fighters and bombers can outmaneuver you easily, but they can't outmaneuver an enemy that isn't moving or is moving in a straight line that can shoot in any direction.
Fifth off, if your trader gets destroyed, he should really either die or be seriously injured. Same thing goes for a pirate, except for the fact that he has an escape pod, which a trader would be lacking since he would sit in the Bridge of his transport, seeing as how the ships are so big that they'd need to be piloted by at least 2 people. Pirates have the luxury of escape pods because they have small classes of ships, traders don't because they have large ships that can't eject an entire Bridge. Thusly, if your trader gets destroyed, he's probably dead or seriously hurt in RP, and a new character would be in order.
Sixth off, the money system of freelancer is obviously inflated. Never would a bandit in real life ask for two million US dollars from a simple trucker. This is a different money system. If it were US dollars as the currency, then two million would be outrageous, but since it's fake "credits," it's completely reasonable because a trader makes over that in a single run.
Seventh off, Pirating is more time consuming and unreliable as a money source than trading. When you trade, you know you make so much money in each leg of a run, but when pirating, you have no clue if someone will pay or whether or not someone is even there to pirate. Trading you always make money. Pirating you always make enemies.
Eighth off, we do have a right to ask for someone's money or their life. It's called mugging. Think of a lone fighter as mugging you rather than pirating you. Pirating would be something a pirate transport does.
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' Wrote:Third off, What would a pirate do with most of the commodities that are in Freelancer? What would I, as a Farmer's Alliance Pilot, do with Diamonds and Niobium? I'm trying to stop the flow of those things into Kusari, not sell it myself! What would me, as an LWB, need Engine Components or Beryllium for? We don't have a shipyard, so why would I need it? Who caries food, water, oxygen, or light arms around for no reason? No one, that's who, and I don't need or want the stuff they do carry around, so I'll go ahead and either take money, or blow your stuff up. If I took it, then Id have to sell it, and I'd much rather just take your money than take something I'd have to sell.
But you won't be stopping goods getting into Kurari if you are extorting the pirates(Farmers are ment to stop forren traders not extort them). Pirates steal goods to eather use or sell or because there a rival on there patch which they are trying to "defend". Pirates don't Extort drivers.
Quote:Fourth off, five seconds for your shield? Are you mistaking fighters for bombers or something? In a fighter it takes more than 35 seconds to destroy an advanced transports shields even with shield busters. Bombers are a different story. Bombers can easily destroy almost any transport without amazing piloting skills or connection. A fighter, though, doesn't have the luxury of a torpedo or mini razor, so they have to duke it out with nasty transport turrets. Also, try turret mode again. Fighters and bombers can outmaneuver you easily, but they can't outmaneuver an enemy that isn't moving or is moving in a straight line that can shoot in any direction.
TBH i don't care if there in a bomber or a fighter, both can get shields down easily if they hit the target. Turret mode is less accurate then normal mode, when ur in it gives a trader NO Manoverability, so there is no chance to dodge any shots, fighters on the other hand can easily dodge shots, one thing to remember is that transport guns don't fire fast, so a fighter can easily dodge them if he actualy uses the Horizontal and Vertical thrusters.
Quote:Fifth off, if your trader gets destroyed, he should really either die or be seriously injured. Same thing goes for a pirate, except for the fact that he has an escape pod, which a trader would be lacking since he would sit in the Bridge of his transport, seeing as how the ships are so big that they'd need to be piloted by at least 2 people. Pirates have the luxury of escape pods because they have small classes of ships, traders don't because they have large ships that can't eject an entire Bridge. Thusly, if your trader gets destroyed, he's probably dead or seriously hurt in RP, and a new character would be in order.
Guess you have never watched any Sci-Fi. People don't go, oh look my ship is getting blown to bits, ill just stay here. Insted they run to the escape pods when the ship is extremely damaged.
Quote:Sixth off, the money system of freelancer is obviously inflated. Never would a bandit in real life ask for two million US dollars from a simple trucker. This is a different money system. If it were US dollars as the currency, then two million would be outrageous, but since it's fake "credits," it's completely reasonable because a trader makes over that in a single run.
Never would a "Bandit" extort a trader and let him go on his merry way, especialy a Farmer, whos goal is to STOP forren traders on there patch, not tax them. If you can find instances in real life where lorry drivers have been extorted for about half the sale price of goods there carrying and then let go on there merry way then ill stop saying its OORP.
Quote:Seventh off, Pirating is more time consuming and unreliable as a money source than trading. When you trade, you know you make so much money in each leg of a run, but when pirating, you have no clue if someone will pay or whether or not someone is even there to pirate. Trading you always make money. Pirating you always make enemies.
Since groups like the LSF etc just camp one system, as long as you stay out of the main "home" systems you don't rearly have any risk.
Quote:Eighth off, we do have a right to ask for someone's money or their life. It's called mugging. Think of a lone fighter as mugging you rather than pirating you. Pirating would be something a pirate transport does.
You don't seem to understand. Mugging happens when your a person on the street who is only carrying a wallet. Mugging would only be compairable in FL if its a Fighter mugging a Fighter. You don't mug a lorry driver who is carrying 50 grands worth of PC's in the back and leave them there. Your argument is extremely flawd.
For the 50th time, crooks rob transports cargo, they don't extort the drivers for half the sale price of the goods and then let them go because the transport driver WOULD NEVER HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY ON THEM. What is so hard to understand. Boy people need to learn what RP is.
' Wrote:But you won't be stopping goods getting into Kurari if you are extorting the pirates(Farmers are ment to stop forren traders not extort them). Pirates steal goods to eather use or sell or because there a rival on there patch which they are trying to "defend". Pirates don't Extort drivers.
Think about it like this: If I take your money, you make no profits, and don't want to come back. No one gets hurt, the KNF has no evidence and can keep turning a blind eye, and the gaijin leave quietly, it's a win-win. Otherwise, I would be destroying the cargo, and that is also a plus, but sometimes us farmers need money too.
' Wrote:TBH i don't care if there in a bomber or a fighter, both can get shields down easily if they hit the target. Turret mode is less accurate then normal mode, when ur in it gives a trader NO Manoverability, so there is no chance to dodge any shots, fighters on the other hand can easily dodge shots, one thing to remember is that transport guns don't fire fast, so a fighter can easily dodge them if he actualy uses the Horizontal and Vertical thrusters.
I'm not going to argue about transport vs fighter anymore. I made a poll about that earlier in the year.
' Wrote:Guess you have never watched any Sci-Fi. People don't go, oh look my ship is getting blown to bits, ill just stay here. Insted they run to the escape pods when the ship is extremely damaged.
You know, I never thought about something like escape pods elsewhere. I thought too simplistically there, and you're completely right.
' Wrote:Never would a "Bandit" extort a trader and let him go on his merry way, especialy a Farmer, whos goal is to STOP forren traders on there patch, not tax them. If you can find instances in real life where lorry drivers have been extorted for about half the sale price of goods there carrying and then let go on there merry way then ill stop saying its OORP.
' Wrote:You don't seem to understand. Mugging happens when your a person on the street who is only carrying a wallet. Mugging would only be compairable in FL if its a Fighter mugging a Fighter. You don't mug a lorry driver who is carrying 50 grands worth of PC's in the back and leave them there. Your argument is extremely flawd.
See above about the farmers. If I can't carry the stuff on my other guys, then why should I try and take it? I could more than happily take your money instead. Why should I try and take 5,000 Diamonds or Boron when I know I can only take 65 units of it? I would much be much happier just taking money instead. It's kind of more of a reverse mugging in the terms you described mugging in...
' Wrote:Since groups like the LSF etc just camp one system, as long as you stay out of the main "home" systems you don't rearly have any risk.
That's just Liberty. When the RM hear about an LWB or Hessian in Stuttgart, they jump on us. I have first hand experience about that matter....
' Wrote:For the 50th time, crooks rob transports cargo, they don't extort the drivers for half the sale price of the goods and then let them go because the transport driver WOULD NEVER HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY ON THEM. What is so hard to understand. Boy people need to learn what RP is.
It seems that we're both going around in circles with the same arguments, yes? Why not just agree to disagree instead of making personal attacks on whether or not the other knows how to RP or is capable of comprehending things?
EDIT: I do believe that the LN & LSF are moving around more. Afterall, who pirates at Manhattan besides Xenos? There is always a Dready patrol right outside...
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Traders should be more RP'ish towards Pirates, I was stopped by a Corsair Gunboat(Albeit he hit like 9,000 Asteroids) and I refused to stop because
"These passengers are VERY VERY Pushy, And I have an old lady who keeps asking if we are there yet and is going on and on about some place in Texas! I will pay your fine on the return trip!"
The Pirate was very pleased as I "Rp'd with him" a little instead of just flat out refusing. Needless to say he went off pirating and I got unmolested in my Xeno Orgs - but later I payed and kept my word despite that...
Meanwhile, stop with the =LSF= LN flames about one system! We are working on it!
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A few things, First stop with this "a truck driver wouldn't carry that much money" because one thing alot of people here seem to forget is that we are playing a game, and it is not always possible to make the game fit with the real world. If it did that trader Ze'ev killed running diamonds into Kyushu wouldn't show up again with another load 8 mins later. He would be dead and would have to start a new character.
If I had my druthers, the Farmers would have a terrorist ID and would destroy all foreign traders in Kusari. Thats not going to happen though, and therefore we have to adjust our RP to fit the realities of the game and rules and also try and keep it fun. The real way the Farmers should RP is to demand all trader drop all there cargo and have it destroyed in front of their faces, 25k from their destination....but then we would have a thread about what portion of cargo is allowable in a demand.
Not all traders are equal, and therefore not all demands are equal. It is the circumstances that make the most impact on what I demand. A synthfoods ship (If any ever came to Kusari:() is going to get a much larger demand than say a Kishiro or GMG ship, or a generic trader for that matter. A junker transport, or IC, or Outcast will also get a bigger demand, same with a Bretonian shipper. I do take the players level into account, but I generally don't pirate traders under level 55 or so anyway, so it's not really a problem for me. I have asked for a few rather large amounts in the past, but they are all in RP, and when I do it, I remind the trader why, I want it to become so unprofitable to run goods to Kusari that they will stop coming. It takes more for some people than others. I think I even demanded 10 million from Tenacities Junker once:P. To paraphrase Xoria in a sanction thread recently, the right amount is the amount that hurts. If it doesn't hurt your pocket book, then what have I accomplished, because I am not in it for the money.
In conclusion, don't tell me how much to ask for when pirating.
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