Can we please have some clarity in Inverness?

[myg0t33]

i understand that you defend your cake but be logic 2 minutes, do you really think that BPA can spend fuel to go to inverness when BAF hasnt a lot to fight GRN? be serious 2min plz and think before speak...
And dont give me example with RL or i will say: If france was in war with england, english wouldnt give a ***** about island at 8000 miles!

Logic involves that I am a Policeman not an Armed Forces person. It is the job of the BAF to fight the GRN and the job of the Police to hmm.....Police.

So you suggest that because Bretonia is at War that the Police should ignore everything else. That would lead to anarchy very quickly.

And as I mentioned Inverness is next door to Bretonia (Newcastle-Inverness, Cortez-Inverness) I would completely agree with you if Inverness was somewhere near Omicron Delta.

As for the 'please spend 2 minutes and think before I write', I do spend time thinking about what I write. I am not an impetuous young child that writes the first thing comes to mind. I also like to re-read what I have written in the hope that I can correct any mistakes before I post.

As for RL, the analogies are generally very useful because people can relate to them.

At the Start of World War II Britain was involved in Fighting in Europe. Its Colonies around the World with their British Policemen still carried on doing their jobs as did the ones in Britain.

So to condense for you - Armed Forces fight the enemy and the Police keep Civil Order (catch the bad guys).

And please try to not be personal as I haven't attacked you (at least I haven't noticed if I have and I apologise if I have). I am merely trying, with my posts, to argue with Logic and not with personal feelings.

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[AceofSpades]

An agreeable resolution is in sight! Adding this simple rule would fix up a hole in gameplay, and seems to be agreeable as rational to those commenting here, so we can now have the Community/Admins come to an resolution on this. So now all that's left to do is..

Can we have a rule regarding goods found on a PoB's stocking list that would limit inspections of vendors to in-RP knowledge? Noting that an entire station's contents are not readily made available for sale--in contrast to a ship's hold which is always available to a cargo scan.

^This is what we are trying to resolve here.^


We moved on and began discussing a specific in-RP concept now because the idea of a system sale was so unacceptable. That concept (limiting inspections of vendors to in-RP knowledge) is being regarded as rational and logical progress, and what is up for further refinement/debate. This rule will completely remove the need for arguing over what the BPA/BAF ZOI should reflect in .87-- because (clearly) arguing over that and also the roles of Police/Navy would continue for eons, and would be completely unproductive.

Hence, we have moved on to solving the rule discrepancy/logic disparity more directly, with a specific rule.
So [ thankfully ] there is no need for further argument regarding this [ BAF ZOIs or system ownerships ], as it is distracting from the final product.

Thank you kindly

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[5:57:11 PM] InfernalTater (Lewis) [Formerly TLI-Inferno]:meanwhile, Aces 'I don't always miss my destinations, but when I do, I'm on the other side of house space.'

Seriously nerf Junkers.

Shoot to Thrill

[AlphaWolf215]

One problem I notice with that Ace is you presume the BPA walk in, and take the vendors word for what he has. What they would really do, is go take a walk through the stock room, noting what things are. But inspections don't stop there, they would have a team walking throughout the complex as well, meaning that hiding places are likely to be found. 9 times out of 10, they are going to find it regardless. That's the way I have always viewed the station checks at least.

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[Sath]

That is what is going to happen, once they find out contraband and take actions, the smuggling activity will reduce and Inverness will be dead again...it is not like bret lawfuls have a startling presence in that system anyway. Atleast, leave the smuggling to be what it is.

[SnakThree]

DELETE

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[Omicron]

Claiming is one thing, being absolute power hegemon that crushed all opposition in the system is another. Bretonia may claim even Omicron Gamma for all I care, their ability to enforce it is just less effective the farther it is from their homeworld. Let Bretonia claim independent systems - it's all roleplay (omg!) - and challenge/give resistance to their forces if you really aim to be supreme authority in Inverness. This entire thread reminds me of early ZA attempts, just that bases are not on the jumpholes here.

Or try diplomacy and lobbying. It does not always work but it's also a thing.

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[myg0t33]

Which would need a warrant based on suspicion. Which would need roleplay. Oh my god. Roleplay. What a relic on this server. People now dock on PoB, scroll through the ooRP list of items and can do whatever they want due to the fact, the community itself allowed government and its representetives such powers.

I'd report this as ingame metagaming and see where it leads. After all, submitting report is not shameful if your intention is not to cause harm to others but to prevent such thing for yourself/others.

So far no report inRP has gone in, on the Forums, about what was seen on the Bases in Inverness because I have been waiting to see what, if any, the outcome of this discussion would be. When a person lands on a Base what items are there for sale? Do I assume that I can buy these items or do I assume that I haven't seen them? This is the big question.

An answer from the Admins would be nice. I assume (and I know that assumption is the Mother of all mistakes) that one or more Admins have read these posts and have an opinion on it.

It is quite easy for Bases to hide the items and not have them on sale. A Base that buys and sells Ore for different prices has to change whether the Base is buying or selling. As for RP I am sure that people who want to use the Bases to buy the required 'illegal items' could arrange a time for the items to be available. Now if this was done on the Forums and I came everytime it was arrange that these items were available, that would be metagaming.

The previous instance, that I know of, involved USI being caught with quite a stash of illegal commodities and they were heavily fined for it. There wasn't any major grief from USI and they RPed their way out of the situation. I also seem to remember some Bases in Kusari that were also hammered because they had illegal technology on their Stations (I seem to remember that it was Cloaking Devices). Yet again no major cries of metagaming or such. This time the Junkers were found with some Liquid Cardemine and some Nox. This has then degenerated in to a major argument. Was it metagaming that after being in the system approx 5-10 minutes suddenly 2 JC ships logged on and undocked from the Bases to 'see' what I was doing?

As for needing a warrant I have explained certain things in one of my previous posts on this subject. As for RP, on the Forums, there has been more RP from the BPA on these Bases than from the actual Owners of these Bases.

Every House, as far as I know, require each legal Base to allow their Lawful Officers access to the Bases. With this in mind is it too much to ask that the Base Owners 'play the Game' and hide any and all contraband. I know that a lot of Legal Bases hold Nomad remains for the making of Cloaks but you will be unlikely to find any on show. Most Base Owners know that the Authorities would be down on them like a 'ton of bricks' if they found them with the remains.

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[Sath]

Then you can question that, for every NPC lawful base that sells contraband. And you know what? Nothing would happen if you submit a report that Slaves are being sold in Planet Pittsburg, BMM is sold in Detroit and so on and so forth.

Now, if this applies for NPC bases, why doesn't it extend for PoBs? There is no rule that clearly defines what to do and what not to. If any admin can clear this situation, it would be nice.

Also, those two bases are a good hub of activity in Inverness, tbt, the only part of activity in that system. Suddenly smart BPA officers find and curb the smuggling activity there, it takes a meagre day or two of forum activity to threaten the Junkers regarding contraband and they would have to stop selling contraband. After that, the BPA or in that case, BAF, wont be arsed to do anything in Inverness, leaving that system to rot off. If the smart BPA officers decided to leave that base as such for god sake, the story would have been different. (I know I am being too imaginative, but this is what I think, might happen)

[Thyrzul]

So... what's the point of this thread? (Mind me, I read only the OP, and nothing besides that, so I'mma just reflect on that.)

Bretonia claims Inverness for herself. So what? There is a line in House Laws stating it's a Bretonian system. Who cares?

Inverness has three bases, one Junker, one Gaian, one stationary Order BS. No Bretonian bases.

Bretonia had a war with Kusari. Bretonia then got stomped by Gallia, Leeds technically taken, need to relocate populace, doing so to Sprague. But then besides Gallia, Bretonia has to deal with Gaians, Mollys, Corsairs, need to maintain and defend colonization efforts on Sprague. With all this crap having to deal with, who the hell got time to care about Inverness?

What's stopping you to give no crap about Bretonia's claim on it and consider it a Junker system? Invergordon, the most lawful station in the system, is controlled by Junkers. What's stopping your from roleplaying as it's administrator, and through it, the administrator of the whole system?

My 2 cents.

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[Sath]

So... what's the point of this thread? (Mind me, I read only the OP, and nothing besides that, so I'mma just reflect on that.)

Bretonia claims Inverness for herself. So what? There is a line in House Laws stating it's a Bretonian system. Who cares?

Inverness has three bases, one Junker, one Gaian, one stationary Order BS. No Bretonian bases.

Bretonia had a war with Kusari. Bretonia then got stomped by Gallia, Leeds technically taken, need to relocate populace, doing so to Sprague. But then besides Gallia, Bretonia has to deal with Gaians, Mollys, Corsairs, need to maintain and defend colonization efforts on Sprague. With all this crap having to deal with, who the hell got time to care about Inverness?

What's stopping you to give no crap about Bretonia's claim on it and consider it a Junker system? Invergordon, the most lawful station in the system, is controlled by Junkers. What's stopping your from roleplaying as it's administrator, and through it, the administrator of the whole system?

My 2 cents.

The Junkers care because BPA, who, for some odd reason, try to force the Bretonian base building rules on the Junker PoBs in that system. If that was considered to be an independant/Junker system, then the Brets shouldn't be there. I don't know for what legit reason, Bretonia is claiming Inverness and extending their house laws there. Seems like they have enough time to care about Inverness, rather than fighting the Gauls.