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[Evil_Joker]

Well, I could counter this and ask why Liberty's Military Intelligence isn't funded by taxation, instead of having its own traders.

It's out of RP for Military Intelligence to escort traders in a foreign land on a regualr basis or to be traders at all.

I mean, fair enough to you guys for trying really hard to get a system, but tagging your traders seems unnecessary unless they are delivering supplies of grave importance to the LSF.

So, what you could do is arrange for Liberty based concerns to be protected by SF when they pass through BAF space and vice-versa.

And since when is criticism bashing?!

I know my post was long, but I think you missed one important thing I said... Yes idealy it would be better for rp to have mercs or bretonian forces protect our traders across their borders, but fact is as I said before that is impossible at times as they aren't on, nor are there unalligned mercs on either.

As for the criticism... well if it was just that that'd be fine, but when it's constantly negative and no positive that's bashing. I'm not pointing my finger at anyone inparticular, just saying it's happened a lot lately and since string cheese is gone it's not neccesary.

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[frozen]

joker, can i say summat?

firstly, tau 31 is a conflict zone between bretonia and kusari right?

now, as far as npcs go, has anyone seen a liberty pilot in bretonia, kusari or even rhineland (or vice versa)?
the SA and SF made a RP treaty for all to see, that SF will allow a small fleet of SA ships in bretonian space.
it was all RPed, the treaty etc. apart from that treaty, i havent seen any SA in bretonia.

now, talking about tau 31. most traders are what i call 'secret traders' for players, which are not related to their other characters for various reasons. if you have a trader with LSF in their name, for RP reasons their trade route should be very limited, thus there shouldnt be any need to leave liberty space.

now, as an alternative, there are mercs for hire, the SF protects traders in tau 31 (even though its an expoit, it is however under bretonian protection atm with kusari incursions). if the LSF really want to protect their traders in tau 31, heres one suggestion. how about making a merc char, for that sort of job, or even better, having the trader with a totally new name, wich will not be connected to the LSF in any way. having merc chars will protect traders as well.

now, LSF in liberty space do a good job trying to protect liberty from HF raids, and so do the SA. but what i want to point out is the fact that as a house military, they have good ships, but that is compensated by the fact that they are really restricted when it comes to flying around. that was the first reason why i declined joining any lawful faction, as i wanted freedom of moving about (i am restricted, not by anyone but due to RP reasons.)

all i say is this. if the LSF want to station ships in bretonia, post a RP treaty with the Sf, so everyone can see it, and not have a reason to complain about anything. same goes for anyone else (sniper im not picking on you or your faction). whenever im in game, i use rp, like when a certain player asked for passage into vesp, using rp i said yes in system chat for all to see (though noone was in magellan at the time:P).

in the end it all falls down to how well you can RP a situation. also, the LSF is a new faction here, they have had a few problems (string) but i must say they are improving bit by bit.

(no flames intended people. i was just trying to explain my point)

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[Fellow Hoodlum]

The crux of the problem is the Tau 31 route/situation is out of roleplay anyway. Its been there forever, and to
be honest most of the longer standing factions here have known about it for that long ...
It hasn't been used by most of them, because they have stuck to rather roleplaying traders in much more
realistic scenarios. Currently its being abused by those scared of losing it in the next mod release, just in
case it gets nerfed, and certain factions may actually have to do a little roleplay work to get that next fleet
of battleships.
If factions truly roleplayed themselves, no one would be there, and the 'Team America' analogy would not
be being bandied about ... And it is unfortunately a good analogy.
There has been no interaction between any of the lawful factions concerning actually being there, LSF
included. All I heard is real life comparisons as to why they could possibly have an excuse to be there.
So if those intending to be here for the forseeable future, and intending to interact with all the other existing factions, really want to make an impression, they would quit the system, and act as if the route didn't
exist ... Just because it is there, doesn't mean it has to get exploited. Thats true roleplay ...

Hoodlum

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Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."

[Evil_Joker]

Again Hoodlum you ignore my points and just stick on the fact that you do not like the tau 31 exploit/run. Granted I have no issue with you not liking this run. I only use it now as we are trying to build up some quick cash for a system, but what you don't seem to want to bother reading in my responses (not trying to sound like a jerk here, but you do seem to keep passing over my point) is that practically ANY run and especially any run worth doing will put us out of liberty space. What you all are proposing is to escort our traders to the border, then let them fly on undefended. Now, I know some are suggesting using a merc char or the SF, but let's see...
A merc char that you switch to just to escort seems like a lot of waste, and in my mind a bit out of rp. As for asking the SF... as I said, I have been on at all hours of the day and at most I typically only see one or two on at a time if even that. Do not expect us to send out our traders into hostile territory without an escort.
As for unmarking them and using secret traders... I hate that idea as it's soo out of rp. Heck I'm not even fond of using my Evil_Joker to fund LSF chars, or any other of my chars for that matter.
The thing is we are not a house military, but a branch off the navy that operates as an inteligence agency. Intelligence agencies in any country I've studdied do not only operate in their own country, but in any country they deem neccesary. I'm not saying we're allowed to autonomously police all of sirius, but on a small scale this is what happens.
Now, I have no qualms with stoping LSF from doing the Tau 31 route, to appease everyone, but then don't be surprised when you see LSF fighters escorting our freighters from LA to Stokes, or something similar.
And finally for the rp; I agree we need to work on that, but that's mostly my fault. RL is getting in the way and then there is this problem of LSF bashing and me feeling I need to defend our faction. Team Liberty Sirius Police... that's just dumb. As I've said we are not policing all of sirius, just defending our freighters. Nothing more, nothing less. If we were in Kusari, or Rhineland space scanning cargo holds, and stopping pirates that comment would be justified, but since this is not happening, it's not justified (and if you did see something like this I again tell you PM me or Sn!p3r and we WILL deal with it). Thanks

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[bluntpencil2001]

You miss my point, Joker.

You shouldn't have traders and you certainly shouldn't be protecting them in Bretonia. That would be like the US Marine Corps owning shops that sell watermelons in France, guarded by armed Marines.

The LSF are not a trade company. They are military intelligence. They get funded by the government, not their own little prisoner-shifting company.

They are not mercenaries or an escort company either. They should be busy spying in Kusari or something.

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Also, they've not just been protecting traders. They have engaged SCRA in Cambridge as well as Leeds. Fair enough, common enemy here, but why would they have cruisers stationed there? They are an intelligence agency, for one thing, and it isn't their space.

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[Evil_Joker]

You miss my point, Joker.

You shouldn't have traders and you certainly shouldn't be protecting them in Bretonia. That would be like the US Marine Corps owning shops that sell watermelons in France, guarded by armed Marines.

The LSF are not a trade company. They are military intelligence. They get funded by the government, not their own little prisoner-shifting company.

They are not mercenaries or an escort company either. They should be busy spying in Kusari or something.

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Also, they've not just been protecting traders. They have engaged SCRA in Cambridge as well as Leeds. Fair enough, common enemy here, but why would they have cruisers stationed there? They are an intelligence agency, for one thing, and it isn't their space.

No blunt I do not miss your point, but since there is no way to recieve taxes from npc military factions how would you have us make money then? Sorry, but we cannot taxz players (nor would we) as we are not pirates. Besides where would the tax money come from? From taxes on traded goods, ie why we have the war funds department for trading.

As for engaging SCRA: if cruisers are truly stationed there and dd not just fly in to assist in battle then that is something I need to be made aware of by you sending that PM i keep asking for so I can talk to the violating member. They should not be stationed in any system other then Liberty. If they flew in from Liberty space to join the battle then left afterwards, there is no issue here, you just ran into some bad luck. Sorry, but there is no reason LSF cannot come in and assist our friends

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[bluntpencil2001]

Then have your own traders that are unmarked, like everyone else does, and say that you receive funds from taxation in your RP.

Then, since you don't have tagged traders anymore, there's no excuse for escorts in foreign space.

EDIT: My 666th post. Needs more evil, I think.

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[Equinox]

Then have your own traders that are unmarked, like everyone else does, and say that you receive funds from taxation in your RP.

Then, since you don't have tagged traders anymore, there's no excuse for escorts in foreign space.

EDIT: My 666th post. Needs more evil, I think.

I couldn't have said it better myself.



Also why would an intel agency have so many cap ships?

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[sn!p3r]

some admin or someone please lock this post because this is getting out of hand.....

[BULLDOGNK]

some admin or someone please lock this post because this is getting out of hand.....

Ok you asked for this to be locked, The answer is NO.

People have a voice and are using it, but if it does get out of hand, Moderators please lock it:)

Cheers