' Wrote:I have to agree, if you don't like it and don't have a useful concept or idea to change it, but can't really live with it, the dore is over there.
Any attempts are smashed. The point? Just Q_Q and complain.
' Wrote:This is funny. Well, not funny. Mostly pathetic. Lets talk about it.
So you're transporting Oxygen. Alright. I've done that, too. What ship are you flying? A 5k? A Container Transport? A Firefly? Borderworlds Transport? A slight indicator of wealth. Presumably, you're flying that somewhere to pick up something else. Maybe Light Arms. Maybe Gold. Maybe Superconductors. Maybe Artifacts. Maybe Engine Components. Who knows? I can presume it's going to make you profit eventually. Knowing trade routes, as an ardent trader myself, I know that I can trade 80% of the time without seeing a single pirate, not to mention those who are actually competent. With those kinds of odds, a trader's profit is a lot higher than mine.
So we're going to engage in some Roleplay. You're flying a ship which indicates that you're a very wealthy individual. I'm going to tax you five million credits because your ship is big and I know you must have money somewhere.
So now you're going to say that your cargo isn't worth that much. Well that's nice, but it's not in a pirate's Roleplay to care about how much your cargo is worth. I'm going to kill you. You think that's a great idea. As a person, I'm not too keen on exploding. It involves a lot of fire the human body potentially can't survive. But it's okay. There's a respawn button. We can forget how comfortable your character is in extreme heat and depressurization.
So you come back to the same place, minutes later, expecting the player to forget about his role and just let you pass. He decides he isn't going to let you go. He continues to play his role and demands more money from you. You repeat the above. After a few times of this, during which the pirate has engaged you in Roleplay multiple times, you break roleplay to PM him an insult clearly aimed at the player and not the character.
Mind, I don't know who this was who pirated you or what happened, but theoretically speaking, I think you're an idiot.
' Wrote:This is funny. Well, not funny. Mostly pathetic. Lets talk about it.
So you're transporting Oxygen. Alright. I've done that, too. What ship are you flying? A 5k? A Container Transport? A Firefly? Borderworlds Transport? A slight indicator of wealth. Presumably, you're flying that somewhere to pick up something else. Maybe Light Arms. Maybe Gold. Maybe Superconductors. Maybe Artifacts. Maybe Engine Components. Who knows? I can presume it's going to make you profit eventually. Knowing trade routes, as an ardent trader myself, I know that I can trade 80% of the time without seeing a single pirate, not to mention those who are actually competent. With those kinds of odds, a trader's profit is a lot higher than mine.
So we're going to engage in some Roleplay. You're flying a ship which indicates that you're a very wealthy individual. I'm going to tax you five million credits because your ship is big and I know you must have money somewhere.
So now you're going to say that your cargo isn't worth that much. Well that's nice, but it's not in a pirate's Roleplay to care about how much your cargo is worth. I'm going to kill you. You think that's a great idea. As a person, I'm not too keen on exploding. It involves a lot of fire the human body potentially can't survive. But it's okay. There's a respawn button. We can forget how comfortable your character is in extreme heat and depressurization.
So you come back to the same place, minutes later, expecting the player to forget about his role and just let you pass. He decides he isn't going to let you go. He continues to play his role and demands more money from you. You repeat the above. After a few times of this, during which the pirate has engaged you in Roleplay multiple times, you break roleplay to PM him an insult clearly aimed at the player and not the character.
Mind, I don't know who this was who pirated you or what happened, but theoretically speaking, I think you're an idiot.
So your view means to have any chance in talking with pirate is to fly a dromedary? What will you charge em for then? I am stashing the cash to buy better ship? Yay me. That really adds it. Corporate haulers, can they RP the ship is company asset, would you buy that, LOLNO, GIEF CASH.
Roleplay is not just playing the role, try think. There are others around you at the time. Try 0.0 rule all the time. Ive let people go for bad reasons, even I let folks go just for talking to me, smaller fine, be nice. Its just a game. But your argumentation is one meaning, whatever we do, silly traders in 5kers, youll charge us insane amount of cash, CUZ U CAN.
People like you and their opinions make this place sad. All this roleplay you throw around. There are very very very few people who RP properly. Im not amongst them, tho im trying. Have a story behind your character, act ONLY as you thought out his personality, do not act how does it suit your current situation so you wouldnt have to let the trader go.
Some pirates, who are like that, with stories, are hilarious to meet. Ill pay those guys anytime. To you, id rather get my ship deleted, cause you simply aint worth those game credits for such actions and "roleplay". And no, it is not an insult, just a roleplay of a trader on forum. NOt sarcastic.
' Wrote:There are very very very few people who RP properly.
I dare to say there are many people who roleplays properly, but few who can understand roleplay and accept it as roleplay, if it does not go how they planned.
Silent trader, who does not talk with pirates? Why would he if he is not willing to be pirated and attempts to run by surprise and suceeds it? He avoided loss of profit or ship's destruction. Roleplay action had positive roleplay consequence.
Chatty pirate decided, that he wants to chat with trader, and to his surprise, being all nice and such, gets military on his back, because trader was calling back up at that time. Rolplay action that led to roleplay consequence.
' Wrote:I dare to say there are many people who roleplays properly, but few who can understand roleplay and accept it as roleplay, if it does not go how they planned.
Silent trader, who does not talk with pirates? Why would he if he is not willing to be pirated and attempts to run by surprise and suceeds it? He avoided loss of profit or ship's destruction. Roleplay action had positive roleplay consequence.
Chatty pirate decided, that he wants to chat with trader, and to his surprise, being all nice and such, gets military on his back, because trader was calling back up at that time. Rolplay action that led to roleplay consequence.
Yes, the first part is essentially right, but as you said, their roleplay is somehow not thought out and they cannot adapt to situation that does not go as planned. THats not as good as it could be roleplay imo.
Silent traders are those who just pass by, say nothing or insult you. Indeed, talkign to pirate is just an option, nobody can force you, but it kind of makes you look better. And frankly, how many times do you avoid by being silent and thrusting.
The third § is basically the chat vs chat vs I CALL BAKUP thing. IT happens. Talk, but not for long. I used to decrease demands to avoid being shot. Thats just how it is.
I stand by my statement bout people unable to properly RP all they should. With 20 chars per player, its hard. I stay in character, but story for any of my pilots? Well one, and no time to develop. Im just casual roleplayer, I envy those who have stories and history for their characters. Not the silly slave/military/revenge ones, but better, like a book.
' Wrote:Chatty pirate decided, that he wants to chat with trader, and to his surprise, being all nice and such, gets military on his back, because trader was calling back up at that time. Rolplay action that led to roleplay consequence.
How is that a consequence? So pirate dont get paid, but had the nice chat. 2 Win, everybody happy. I'm curious - how many times raids were succesfull in a pirates life? I would call this fun. And it's pretty cool way of making clear statements. :cool:
I would not even call engagment notice as good roleplay if two mortal enemies are fighting.
We cannot really judge roleplay without bias, as it looks different to all of us.
What one calls 2 million demand a good roleplay, might mean he likes the fairplay.
Another person might say he would have demanded twice as much, since that would be what his pirate character's role is.
' Wrote:How is that a consequence? So pirate dont get paid, but had the nice chat. 2 Win, everybody happy. I'm curious - how many times raids were succesfull in a pirates life? I would call this fun. And it's pretty cool way of making clear statements. :cool:
Consequence is a result of an action. Consequence of being assaulted by military is result of an action, chosen by pirate.
I would not even call engagment notice as good roleplay if two mortal enemies are fighting.
We cannot really judge roleplay without bias, as it looks different to all of us.
What one calls 2 million demand a good roleplay, might mean he likes the fairplay.
Another person might say he would have demanded twice as much, since that would be what his pirate character's role is.
Well, definition of roleplay differs. You dont need to write textwall, all you need to know is who your character is, how we reacts, acts and behaves. Adapting from your chair without regard to your previous actions is just basic roleplaying. Tsk tsk.
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