Rep-ninja in Gallia

[blubba]

Thankyou Pheonix for your answer.
At last a response from the GRN. Something other than conjecture.

As a side note, the bounty placed was not placed directly and so would/could not affect official diplomacy anyway. I used it merely to demonstrate Kusari sentiment towards anything non-kusarian and in this case specifically Gallian.

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[Pancakes]

Thankyou Pheonix for your answer.
At last a response from the GRN. Something other than conjecture.

As a side note, the bounty placed was not placed directly and so would/could not affect official diplomacy anyway. I used it merely to demonstrate Kusari sentiment towards anything non-kusarian and in this case specifically Gallian.

I am in KNF, I know Kusari relations to foreigner, and when Corsair pirate non-Kusarian, authorities might close their eyes until they are done.

What I am saying is that all I can see here are walls of Q_Q, I assume you have corsair transport and you want to bring in goods with it into Gallia. Oh and by the way, I saw Gallic transports getting pirated by corsairs in my own eyes.
And for your claim: "They can dock at GRN bases" you know, Council let other shippers to go unharmed, if they'd want they could prevent one group from passing via Languedoc, and the other way is via omicron-80. Now don't tell me it's very much inRP for Corsair to go via there. There is ZoI for corsairs, Gallia is defiantly not in it so I see no reason for the rep-hack change, and with the correct corsair policy of "pirate it first, ask questions later" Council are not going to let them pass, they don't like Sirian unlawfuls, if they have intention to trade with GRN they won't pass, if they attack Gallic civilians and Council transports they only prove that mistrust.
So again, may you please, stop the Q_Q. Corsairs shouldn't be in Gallia no need for rep-hack change.

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[DarthBindo]

So again, may you please, stop the Q_Q. Corsairs shouldn't be in Gallia no need for rep-hack change.

The Gallics are potential allies, and i know there has been some light discussion thrown around the Council as to how or if the Corsairs could pull that off when/if 4.86 ever came out.
In fact, as Daedric stated, I entered into talks with the GMS back when i was an Elder, and hopefully the current Elders will continue those. I actually tried to make a trip to Planet Nevers when i was invited my Jean LeBlanc, but it didn't go so well.
The Corsairs don't pirate because we're mean and nasty and evil outlaws.
We pirate because we live on a back of nowhere dusty red dirtball with very little food production, almost no natural resources, and we make only two products.
Tequila, and Artefacts, which are unlawful in three houses and require smuggling.
We pirate because we need the supplies, and we hate the inner Houses with a blind passion, for their avarice and arrogance, and we envy them for their green, green planets, just one of which could support our entire population ten times over.
As for Corsairs pirating Gallics, that should change.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Pancakes]

The Gallics are potential allies, and i know there has been some light discussion thrown around the Council as to how or if the Corsairs could pull that off when/if 4.86 ever came out.
In fact, as Daedric stated, I entered into talks with the GMS back when i was an Elder, and hopefully the current Elders will continue those. I actually tried to make a trip to Planet Nevers when i was invited my Jean LeBlanc, but it didn't go so well.
The Corsairs don't pirate because we're mean and nasty and evil outlaws.
We pirate because we live on a back of nowhere dusty red dirtball with very little food production, almost no natural resources, and we make only two products.
Tequila, and Artefacts, which are unlawful in three houses and require smuggling.
We pirate because we need the supplies, and we hate the inner Houses with a blind passion, for their avarice and arrogance, and we envy them for their green, green planets, just one of which could support our entire population ten times over.
As for Corsairs pirating Gallics, that should change.

I was personally pirated as council transport. and I don't say corsairs are evil either, but they do pirate Gallics atm. And again, Council policy toward Sirian unlawfuls is with very low tolerance, if they ally with GRN? they won't enter, if they try to enter and not ally with GRN Gallic unlawfuls would eat them. So correctly inRP they have no reason, nor the ability to get there.

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[blubba]

Pancakes

What I am saying is that all I can see here are walls of Q_Q, I assume you have corsair transport and you want to bring in goods with it into Gallia. Oh and by the way, I saw Gallic transports getting pirated by corsairs in my own eyes

What are you going on about?
I asked why corsair ships are still rep hacked despite what was posted on the first page. See below:-

As requested by a number of players, we have removed the rep-ninja on the GRN and GRP NPC factions with respect to the other NPC factions.

All new ships will start out hostile to the GRN and GRP. However it is now possible to improve your reputation with respect to these factions so that you can operate and dock in Gallia.

Read the full thread next time before posting so that you get an understanding of what is being questioned.


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And for your claim: "They can dock at GRN bases" you know, Council let other shippers to go unharmed, if they'd want they could prevent one group from passing via Languedoc, and the other way is via omicron-80. Now don't tell me it's very much inRP for Corsair to go via there.

What?
Who can dock at GRN bases?
As for Omicron 80, just what are you smoking?
Prevent one group blah blah...
This is a space shooter. Omicron Gamma gets attacked by four or five competant fighters who having killed a bunch of ships, claim mastery of Corsairdom. Are you concerned about realism?
As for "very much inRP for a corsair to go there"...what?
Do you read my posts?

There is ZoI for corsairs

Er....sorry. ZoI?
This isn't influence, this was about trade. Junkers ZoI isn't Alpha or Gamma but how many visit there?
Corsairs couldn't operate in numbers up there for a myriad of diplomatic reasons and you playing Kusari character should know them. ZoI has nothing to do with this.

with the correct corsair policy of "pirate it first, ask questions later" Council are not going to let them pass, they don't like Sirian unlawfuls, if they have intention to trade with GRN they won't pass, if they attack Gallic civilians and Council transports they only prove that mistrust

Yes and based on that logic, Outcasts wouldn't get past Eta to Gamma because Etna wouldn't let them passed. Same as Corsairs re:the three Outcast bases there.

At no point have you come up with a consistant basis for this rep-hack which is specific to everyone but Corsairs (so far). I have challenged the powers that be (admins) as to why they decided that corsairs should be left out.
You have jumped into the breach and failed at everyturn to identitfy why (because you don't know).
Can't go here because, unrealistic to do that, Council wouldn't allow this, denziens of Tau's would stop that.
Great. Well done. Excellent work there....
Why did Cannon decide to drop that rep-hack for all but corsairs?
You don't know.
At that point, your part in this conversation ends there.

I have spoken to the leader of the GRN and he is not completely convinced either.
He is of the opinion that everyone should still be hostile, HOWEVER...this would create issues (as alluded to earlier) for Gallic traders.
As for why corsairs were singled out, he doesn't seem to know which suggests this is for Cannon to explain and not someone who seems to be....argueing for the sake of it.
Now this has rumbled on for some time with no coherant answer from the powers that be and frankly, continuing to keep coming back to read some 'person' telling me a sackful of reasons based on HIS opinion rather than the real one is now getting tiresome.
Suffice to say, until a member of the admin team who knows why corsairs were singled out posts here (I have spoken to at least one who has no idea why) with an explaination, I will continue to ask the question of them.
Bottom line, none of the parties directly involved know why and the few people that do aren't saying anything.

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[Pancakes]

Pancakes
What are you going on about?
I asked why corsair ships are still rep hacked despite what was posted on the first page. See below:-

Read the full thread next time before posting so that you get an understanding of what is being questioned.
Next


What?
Who can dock at GRN bases?
As for Omicron 80, just what are you smoking?
Prevent one group blah blah...
This is a space shooter. Omicron Gamma gets attacked by four or five competant fighters who having killed a bunch of ships, claim mastery of Corsairdom. Are you concerned about realism?
As for "very much inRP for a corsair to go there"...what?
Do you read my posts?
Er....sorry. ZoI?
This isn't influence, this was about trade. Junkers ZoI isn't Alpha or Gamma but how many visit there?
Corsairs couldn't operate in numbers up there for a myriad of diplomatic reasons and you playing Kusari character should know them. ZoI has nothing to do with this.
Yes and based on that logic, Outcasts wouldn't get past Eta to Gamma because Etna wouldn't let them passed. Same as Corsairs re:the three Outcast bases there.

At no point have you come up with a consistant basis for this rep-hack which is specific to everyone but Corsairs (so far). I have challenged the powers that be (admins) as to why they decided that corsairs should be left out.
You have jumped into the breach and failed at everyturn to identitfy why (because you don't know).
Can't go here because, unrealistic to do that, Council wouldn't allow this, denziens of Tau's would stop that.
Great. Well done. Excellent work there....
Why did Cannon decide to drop that rep-hack for all but corsairs?
You don't know.
At that point, your part in this conversation ends there.

I have spoken to the leader of the GRN and he is not completely convinced either.
He is of the opinion that everyone should still be hostile, HOWEVER...this would create issues (as alluded to earlier) for Gallic traders.
As for why corsairs were singled out, he doesn't seem to know which suggests this is for Cannon to explain and not someone who seems to be....argueing for the sake of it.
Now this has rumbled on for some time with no coherant answer from the powers that be and frankly, continuing to keep coming back to read some 'person' telling me a sackful of reasons based on HIS opinion rather than the real one is now getting tiresome.
Suffice to say, until a member of the admin team who knows why corsairs were singled out posts here (I have spoken to at least one who has no idea why) with an explaination, I will continue to ask the question of them.
Bottom line, none of the parties directly involved know why and the few people that do aren't saying anything.

And you still fail to see my point. I don't see a reason for rep-hack change because corsairs shouldn't be there anyway that's about it, I see the not-chaning rep-hack as a way to limit lolwuts from getting there. oh and btw there is such a thing named ZoI, inRP corsair wouldn't get to omicron 80, period. it's way too far from Corsair homeland, Where will he fuel? How will he survive the tons of outcasts?
Junkers are the worst example you could think of, since their ZoI is everywhere. Yes, you don't understand half of the stuff you talk about and can't differ between inRP reasons to ooRP ones. so do me a favor go do your homework.

Oh and BTW, I still think that GRN should be hostile to every Sirian never the less.

EDIT: I do believe this all should be changed per 4.86, as Outcasts are great danger to the Gallic civilians, and Corsairs are also attacking Bretonians, which make it ideal to make sort of Alliance with them, both been left out by the houses and betrayed by them, both have same enemies and not too many reasons to shot each other. But that's for 4.86, not now

EDIT 2: I assume admins forgot about Corsairs (perhaps they didn't, but I think they did) but I see no reason to change their Rep-Hack, as I said, they shouldn't even be in Gallia.

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[Kharon]

Junkers are the worst example you could think of, since their ZoI is everywhere.
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Oh and BTW, I still think that GRN should be hostile to every Sirian never the less.

So Junkers no Sirian? Oh and btw. Junkers are banned form Kusari, so no their "ZoI is everywhere".

I think you just wannabe a lolwut GRN and try to hide that behind your selfmade "official lolwut" definition of GRN so noone can blame you for trying to being what you want:

Just another ("official" (with Factiontag)) lolwut .

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[Pancakes]

So Junkers no Sirian? Oh and btw. Junkers are banned form Kusari, so no their "ZoI is everywhere".

I think you just wannabe a lolwut GRN and try to hide that behind your selfmade "official lolwut" definition of GRN so noone can blame you for trying to being what you want:

Just another ("official" (with Factiontag)) lolwut .

Funny story - I have no GRN characters. And junkers do operate in kusari, in GC/BD stations, and in raids against hogosha/ FA. Really, Kharon stop talking since you only embarass yourself with you lack of understanding of either what I wrote, and stuff you read elsewhere.

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[Daedric]

No, i will not find, "anything".....you will have to find, allot of prove. And it wont get you anywhere cause there are 1001 excuses like:

I was afk, they showed a martian on TV; you dont have a screenshot proving that; he was RPing a secret gallian agent; my sister was hitting me cause my brother put pink printerink in her makeup; sorry, i put you on ignore 1 month ago; i didnt see him, i was in turret view looking at you; sorry i forgot what you just said, can you repeat?

Daedric, have you ever had such a case in Texas with an LNS or LPI or in Hamburg with an RM or RFP or in Hokkaido with an KNF or do you want to win an argument to desperatly to admit your making it up (like my bro above)?

Ignoring a faction right 2 order by saying any of the crap you said won't stop the admins from enforcing the consequences of your (in)action on you. You break 6.10 for whatever reason and get report, you get in trouble.

Go ahead, make it very clear to the GRN that you have no intentions of doing what they tell you to do or following GRN role play. Go do that in role play, we'll see who is right and who is wrong.

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[Dab]

Daedric, have you ever had such a case in Texas with an LNS or LPI or in Hamburg with an RM or RFP or in Hokkaido with an KNF or do you want to win an argument to desperatly to admit your making it up (like my bro above)?

By intentionally allowing Sirians into Gallia, you go against lore established by the infocards in the mod. This means your actions are non-canon, and if the official faction catches you, we can enforce canon.

FR2 doesn't allow factions to enforce non-canon laws or orders. It does allow factions to enforce canon laws and orders. Thus, any GRN that is intentionally allowing Sirians into Gallia is not only breaking lore and canon, but established Gallic law and would be persecuted as such. If you want to do that, go play as Council. But if you're going to play as GRN, then actually play as GRN, rather than a Council character in a GRN suit. Don't play the faction until you've read the infocards and news articles about it.


As for Corsairs, Gallia still fully considers you hostile. This has not changed. Whether or not it does in the future, is something we deal with in the future. As it stands currently, you're hostile, and thus, there is no reason to remove the rephack at this time.

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