Do you want the returne of the Solar System?

[Klaw117]

How many times I have to say, how do you know it was destroyed?, it flashed, yet the intro didn't show if it was "destroyed", it destroyed the planets, but it never shown Earth, and it even showed nomads, yet it wouldn't make sense as nomads were in a popsicle and if there were other nomads it wouldn't make sense too that they didn't follow Atticus Rockford to Sirius to kill the rest of humans in the case they're shivan-like to blow up Sol randomly, and if it was the DK, they would have played with Earth rather than blow it up, then I say again, it was rather a clean up in space than a explosion, Sol doesn't have mass to even go nova.

And yes, it did require Sleeper ships, but nobody said there would be just one JH or a Wormhole directly to Sol.

And how many times do I have to say, it's destroyed because Igiss said so. The Nomads in Sol are completely separate from the Nomads in Sirius. Everything that happens in Sol is separate from what happens in Sirius. Nomads in Sirius were still in a popsicle while Nomads in Sol were awake and active. No one knows what happened to Atticus Rockford. I personally think he was hushed up by the authorities to prevent a panic in the surviving population in Sirius. The Nomads probably didn't follow him because they didn't care about what happened if one person went off into deep space. There's enough evidence in the developers' documents to indicate that the Nomads were only interested in protecting their area of space just outside of Sol. DK did not play with Earth, they had already disappeared from the known universe.

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Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!

[Ingenious]

Moving on, planets don't explode from the inside (which is what would cause an isotropic explosion). It's not even really exploding, as you can see from the video--it's having pieces of it pushed off by the explosion of the star, all of which will be *away* from the center of the explosion (which was the star).

I don't really see what you mean by "explosion of the star." Stars are already enormous fusion reactors radiating intense amounts of energy and planets are fine. If you blew Sol's star apart at the time this event supposedly occurred, it would just be a bunch of lightweight hydrogen and helium moving outwards from the sun isotropically. This would not have a large effect on planets.

The only real way to tear apart a planet into fragments is a collision with another body of comparable size. Other than that, "melting" and irradiation can occur with such a cataclysm, but it is unlikely.

The center of mass of the system doesn't matter when most of the matter in the system is moving outward at faster than escape velocity, because it's not going to come back--it's going to leave the system.

Ok, since you want to push this one, let's go-- it's an interesting problem. The scattering of lightweight elements in the sun would not carry nearly enough momentum to substantially move the other planets. Let's assume the sun is pure hydrogen and that its entire mass is thrown isotropically outward in an explosion at some "reasonable velocity" like 4/5 c.

mass of the sun = 2 * 10^30 kg
E = γmc^2 = 2.7 * 10^48 J (that's a high energy superweapon -- totally impossible, but we'll keep it)

As the explosion occurs, assume the energetic particles fly outward at 4/5 c in an expanding spherical shell.
The area of this shell: A® = 4 π r^2. Let r0 be the radius of the sun: r0 = 7.0 * 10^8 m, thus A(r0) = 6.2 * 10^18 m^2.

The distance of Jupiter from the center of the sun: r_j = 8.0 * 10^11 m. A(r_j) = 8.0 * 10^24 m^2. (area of the spherical shell, centered at the sun, passing through Jupiter)

If we take the "energy density" of the explosion at this shell surface, assuming nothing exists in space between the sun and Jupiter: E/A(r_j) = 3.4 * 10^23 J/m^2.

Let's make a liberal assumption and say that Jupiter absorbs 100% of the energy of the particles that collide with it. So we will take the energy density and multiply it by half the surface area of Jupiter:
E_j = (3.1* 10^16 m^2) * 3.4 * 10^23 J/m^2 = 1.0 * 10^40 J.

mass of jupiter: m_j = 1.9 * 10^27 kg.
resultant outward velocity of jupiter: v_j = sqrt(2*E_j / m_j) = 3.2 * 10^6 m/s.
now, that's pretty fast, you say? it really isn't -- jupiter's already orbiting at 1.3 * 10^4 m/s.

The 4/5 c and 100% transfer figures are completely ridiculous anyway, no alien race can produce a weapon that spontaneously transfers 10^48 joules of energy into those kinds of particles.

GG

[Linkus]

no alien race can produce a weapon that spontaneously transfers 10^48 joules of energy into those kinds of particles.

Proof pl0x.

resultant outward velocity of jupiter: v_j = sqrt(2*E_j / m_j) = 3.2 * 10^6 m/s.
now, that's pretty fast, you say? it really isn't -- jupiter's already orbiting at 1.3 * 10^4 m/s.

3200000 m/s
130000 m/s

Only a slight difference of course.

All that math was irrelevant anyway.

The center of mass of the system doesn't matter when most of the matter in the system is moving outward at faster than escape velocity, because it's not going to come back--it's going to leave the system.

That was what you were arguing against.
All you did was show that it's suddenly moving at 20x the speed it was, only in an outward direction.
Combined with the sudden lack of mass from the sun, Jupiter is screwed.

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[Luka]

And how many times do I have to say, it's destroyed because Igiss said so. The Nomads in Sol are completely separate from the Nomads in Sirius. Everything that happens in Sol is separate from what happens in Sirius. Nomads in Sirius were still in a popsicle while Nomads in Sol were awake and active. No one knows what happened to Atticus Rockford. I personally think he was hushed up by the authorities to prevent a panic in the surviving population in Sirius. The Nomads probably didn't follow him because they didn't care about what happened if one person went off into deep space. There's enough evidence in the developers' documents to indicate that the Nomads were only interested in protecting their area of space just outside of Sol. DK did not play with Earth, they had already disappeared from the known universe.

When did Igiss say that? he only made the extended intro canon. And if he said so, then deal with the Huge plothole you left there.

And DK only randomly dissapeared, they didn't go extinct, they could just have returned when the sleeper ships went to Sirius, as far I know, they had an empire spaning several sectors, the only place we found about them is Sirius, NOT the rest of the galaxy, but they left the nomads in Sirius to watch how they played around, then humans got there, they could have traced and found Earth, cause a flush with the Sun to blow up everything except the park (Earth) and then they played with it at the same time they watched nomads fraking with the Sirians.

[Luka]

And why the frak is still everyone using realistic physics in Freelancer?!:mellow:
Has anyone known the "Rule of Cool"? the intro isn't documentary ffs!

[Ingenious]

Proof pl0x.
32000000 m/s
130000 m/s

Only a slight difference of course.

You didn't even expand the notation correctly... :sleep:

All that math was irrelevant anyway.
That was what you were arguing against.
All you did was show that it's suddenly moving at 200x the speed it was, only in an outward direction.

It will just enter a much looser orbit.

[Linkus]

What is the escape velocity of the solar system?
525000 m/s si?

3.2 * 10^6 m/s

= 320000*10 m/s
= 3200000 m/s

3200000 > 525000
Si?

You didn't even expand the notation correctly...

3.2 * 10^6 m/s

= 320000*10 m/s
= 3200000 m/s

Where exactly is the notation wrong?

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[Ingenious]

3.2 * 10^6 m/s

= 320000*10 m/s
= 3200000 m/s

Where exactly is the notation wrong?

EDIT: ok, great, you went back and changed your post to correct your mistake

Proof pl0x.
32000000 m/s
130000 m/s

Only a slight difference of course.

3.2 * 10^6 = 3 200 000

What is the escape velocity of the solar system?

Escape velocity is irrelevant here. Even after a supernova, there is still matter hanging around. The figures I presented were incredibly ridiculous, even a supernova expels particles only at 1/10 c, not 4/5 c, and you wouldn't absorb 100% of the energy of colliding particles.

[SA_Scavenger]

You guys want to take this into the "we really, really 'think' we are good at maths" section. Thanks.

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[Klaw117]

When did Igiss say that? he only made the extended intro canon. And if he said so, then deal with the Huge plothole you left there.

And DK only randomly dissapeared, they didn't go extinct, they could just have returned when the sleeper ships went to Sirius, as far I know, they had an empire spaning several sectors, the only place we found about them is Sirius, NOT the rest of the galaxy, but they left the nomads in Sirius to watch how they played around, then humans got there, they could have traced and found Earth, cause a flush with the Sun to blow up everything except the park (Earth) and then they played with it at the same time they watched nomads fraking with the Sirians.

PM Igiss. He'll explain everything. He has said on multiple occasions that Sol and everything in the system has been destroyed. And I don't see what the plothole is. We've already said that there are more than one group of Nomads that are separate from each other.

Yes, the DK disappeared, I never said they were extinct. However, they never returned either. For all we know, they could be in a distant area of space watching the Nomads and humanity fight. Any and all current alien activity is done by the Nomads. The DK had nothing to do with the destruction of Earth. DK has no interest in Earth, they can create their own version of it. If they can create the Sirius Sector and the Nomads, then they can create any planet or species that they want. Why would they be interested in us?

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Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!