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Chapaev · 07-31-2011, 04:03 PM,

still it looks like written-off battleship converted into a hotel.:D

SMI-Great.Fox · 08-01-2011, 07:09 AM,

If this was approved into the Coalition, I honestly would join the SCRA just to fly this.

No lie.

What would the stat's be out of question?

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Vladimir · 08-01-2011, 08:35 AM,

Cute. Call it Red Arrow.

Hades · 08-01-2011, 11:54 AM,

Incoming wall of text. Basically meant to have all of the ideas for the ship in one place instead of spread out, so it's easier to read.

short version is: I was thinking about 600k-700k armor, as it's nearly as long as the RM BS. Eight gunboat turrets on the larger mounts, which I think razors would be best served, as it's a fairly large ship and solaris just wouldn't work. Around 6000-700 cargo (maybe?) since it is, indeed, much larger. No thruster and turning speed between the Lib dread and RM BS. There'd of course possible be a bunch of smaller transport turrets scattered around, as the gunboat razors can only fire four up or down and hardly to the sides. It will have two docking bays but those are just for docking freighters and fighters, same as the docking bays on the prison and luxury liner.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm56/...risons.png (comparison of the ship to other vanilla ships)

Long version:

Quote:Basically, it's Coalition produced to provide a sturdier and cheaper alternative to the Libertonian made Enterprise class liner, while being less specialized and able to be a modular design that can be refit when needed, if you need a prison liner, it can be refit for that purpose, need it for diplomatic duties such as an ambassador's ship, or as a luxory liner, etc etc. This is to allow a more broad range of possible RP than I feel the smaller ships allow.

Quote:Hello boys and girls.

This is a civilian liner (needs more windows) that just happens to be produced by the Coalition. That is all. No other link, or restriction imposed. Merely, here it is, this is for you, the community, I am helping to support this ship, let's see the project develop.

Arguments could be made that it is being built to help workers and traders, and independents across Sirius. A noble cause.

anyway, let's agree that Hades here spent a lot of time on the model and deserves a fair nod for the work and some encouragement to make it better.

Quote:Actually, a larger size means more people than can be carried, which means more money. It's internal and external modularity would also result in it being able to refitted to whatever you need it to be, as was said in the OP. So if it's currently modded to be a prison liner, you can then mod it to be a Luxury liner if needed, or w/e.

As for the forward things, they were indeed guns for a former use, but since it's a liner, they probably need to be removed. Though they could just be some type of escape pod ejection system, used to send them as far away from the ship as practical to avoid the blast radius of the exploding yacht and enemies that shot it.

Quote:Aye. Generally, it's meant to be more armored and more flexible (in terms of RP anyway) than its smaller cousins. I imagine it'd also work fairly well as a corporate flagship, too, if one so desired to use it as such, as it'd be pretty heavily armored and armed (while being balanced, of/c) and a very modular design..

It's actually not as long as the RM BS by about maybe fifty meters, and a lot less wide and tall.

Also, for the whole 'modularity' thing, I was thinking perhaps a secondary 'ID' like thing could be used, it'd not impact its performance any, but it'd be used to signify what the user currently has it modded out to be. (They'd also be somewhat expensive but not really, maybe around 4 million since it's technically doing hull mods on it, and they'd only be available at shipyards, like the two in New York). So let's say someone has use of it as a luxury liner, they'd use a 'Luxury Liner Mod'. If say a House wanted it as a diplomatic transport, they'd use a 'Diplomatic Mod'. Now, this part isn't really necessary as part of the ship's concept, you can just tell someone you're roleplaying with what you use it for, either through your roleplay name or through roleplay with the other character, however, this 'tag' system would be good in that someone can find out without you having to waste time telling them, as most people will scan the ship upon meeting them anyway.

Trying to use the say Luxury Liner in the mod now for anything other than a luxury liner gets rather iffy, due to it already being specified as such; a luxury liner, same thing goes for the slave and prison liner. The yacht could be used for stuff like this but variety never actually hurts, and some people may want something bigger, tougher, and with more teeth.

Quote:I'll admit, I always felt the amount of turrets that battleships have over cruisers increases disproportionate to their size. For instance, the RM battleship (fun little ship to use for these types of scaling conversations, isn't it?) only has 7 more turrets than its little brother, the cruiser, while being nearly 20 times larger in terms of volume. Now true, the turrets are of higher caliber (though if it had more they'd be less so, I imagine) but it still means that if hitboxes were tighter, it'd be easier to find poorly protected areas to sit at in say, a bomber or gunship.

As for this liner of mine, it does have a lot of turrets, yes. However, it is very large, many of the turrets can only fire to one side, and transport turrets have rather low range and damage for a ship of this scale, even for a civilian ship. Gunboat turrets on those bigger-looking circle mounts might be cool (with the rest being transport turrets), like all razors, which really isn't that overpowered for a ship so large and since four can only fire to the bottom or top and barely to the sides. Solaris turrets, as well as gunboat primaries, are problematic due to their laughably low range (and transport turret 4s are pretty much the same but with slightly less damage and a lot less energy consumption), while Solaris battleship turrets are very much disproportionate and would just be... wrong on a civilian ship. Honestly, battlerazors would be a nice, decent choice because they're not too long range, so they're purely defensive, they're not greatly damaging, and they can be used against a decent range of targets that attack it. You can't do anything like challenge fleets, but you can at least defend yourself fairly decently, not to mention a ship of this scale likely would lack a thruster, which makes a huge difference. The rest of the turrets would likely be transport turrets of whatever kind the user chooses.

EDIT: Also, here's a quick little picture I did for size comparison purposes

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm56/...risons.png

Quote:Actually, there's more than the eight gunboat razors, which are more for fending off gunboats than fighters or bombers, as razors are best against the latter when jousting, and you likely won't do much of that in this. There will be maybe about 10-17 more turret slots, but instead being transport turrets, which really isn't a huge amount considering a few of those can only fire to one side, there's only three placed on each side, and most transport turrets like type fours are very low range.

SMI-Great.Fox · 08-01-2011, 01:17 PM,

' Wrote:Incoming wall of text. Basically meant to have all of the ideas for the ship in one place instead of spread out, so it's easier to read.

short version is: I was thinking about 600k-700k armor, as it's nearly as long as the RM BS. Eight gunboat turrets on the larger mounts, which I think razors would be best served, as it's a fairly large ship and solaris just wouldn't work. Around 6000-700 cargo (maybe?) since it is, indeed, much larger. No thruster and turning speed between the Lib dread and RM BS. There'd of course possible be a bunch of smaller transport turrets scattered around, as the gunboat razors can only fire four up or down and hardly to the sides. It will have two docking bays but those are just for docking freighters and fighters, same as the docking bays on the prison and luxury liner.

Now to be honest, that doesn't sound like something even close to a liner. Its honestly way too high in armor. 600-700k would be like a small battleship and I don't think that would be desired. I would say a respectable amount would be 230-250k at most.

Cargo size of 6-7k?! Again no. Efficientcy may be one thing, but to also compare other liners, the Enterprise has a cargo of at most 4.3k and with the size here, I would say maybe 4.7k cargo or even 5k. Anything higher would not be recommended.

Putting gunboat turrets on this vessel would be indeed the most plausible idea due to the nature on its construction. However would also then say that with the size of the vessel the power core would have to be high enough to support the amount.

Not putting a thruster on it, I'm mixed on. Having one would serve purpose but then to justify its size so would not having one. And the turning speed I would also be mixed on due to the size.

Now would such a vessel truly be open use for everyone? No restrictions you say but in dealing with the coalition itself I'm not so sure that would be a wise choice. Perhaps keep it to a means in like how people get a barge except addressing it to Coalition Command then then having the materials needed shipped to a certian location for its construction? To me that sounds more of a win-win scenario.

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Vladimir · 08-01-2011, 01:27 PM,

White cells. To use it, people should request it. Makes sense, since it's Coalition produced.

Hades · 08-01-2011, 01:40 PM,

' Wrote:If this was approved into the Coalition, I honestly would join the SCRA just to fly this.

No lie.

What would the stat's be out of question?

Stats are above, though I imagine the dev team would be doing some tuning, and it's not explicitly a SCRA ship; it's designed by them, sure, but it's a sirius-wide available craft, for military and civilian alike.

**jammi** · 08-01-2011, 01:52 PM,

You can't say a Coalition designed ship is Sirius-wide available. It's silly. So far the SCRA's entire lore is built around the fact that their construction techniques and technology is entirely incompatible with everything else in Sirius. That's why you don't get open market Partisans (which to be fair, would be hilarious).

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Hades · (This post was last modified: 08-01-2011, 02:28 PM by Hades.)

' Wrote:Now to be honest, that doesn't sound like something even close to a liner. Its honestly way too high in armor. 600-700k would be like a small battleship and I don't think that would be desired. I would say a respectable amount would be 230-250k at most.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm56/...risons.png

Look at the picture. It's about three or more times larger than a luxury liner, which has 200k armor. The Liberty dreadnought has 850k and it's a bit less than half the size.

Quote:Cargo size of 6-7k?! Again no. Efficientcy may be one thing, but to also compare other liners, the Enterprise has a cargo of at most 4.3k and with the size here, I would say maybe 4.7k cargo or even 5k. Anything higher would not be recommended.

Again, damnit. Look at the picture I linked in the post you quoted, it is almost as long as the RM BS.

Quote:Not putting a thruster on it, I'm mixed on. Having one would serve purpose but then to justify its size so would not having one. And the turning speed I would also be mixed on due to the size.

The thruster is to help balance out the armor, cargo, and weaponry.

Quote:Now would such a vessel truly be open use for everyone? No restrictions you say but in dealing with the coalition itself I'm not so sure that would be a wise choice. Perhaps keep it to a means in like how people get a barge except addressing it to Coalition Command then then having the materials needed shipped to a certian location for its construction? To me that sounds more of a win-win scenario.

Quote:You can't say a Coalition designed ship is Sirius-wide available. It's silly. So far the SCRA's entire lore is built around the fact that their construction techniques and technology is entirely incompatible with everything else in Sirius. That's why you don't get open market Partisans (which to be fair, would be hilarious).

For what I know from what Alvin told me, it'd just be the design sold to Sirian ship constructors, like the OSC and such, but anonymously. That way, the Coalition can profit from the current capitalistic economy already in place to help fuel their war to overthrow and destroy said economy. It's basically manipulation.

The whole point of it being so open is mainly for rp - it's not a specific type so people can role play it as whichever type, be it a luxury liner, prison liner, a yacht, a diplomatic ship (similar to the battleyacht Zelot has, I guess) or even an icecream truck if you wish. I was thinking Zoners, corporations (Bowex, etc etc), militaries, and even perhaps Freelancers(?) could use it.

Vladimir · 08-01-2011, 02:45 PM,

Hessians would most certainly request some, that much i can tell you. Using Piligrim liners to fly people around is alright, but, well, it's called Slave Liner and it's not nice, ye.

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