Disappointed

[Alvin]

There are two sets of rules

• Server Rule
  
• House Rule
  

Server Rule
If you break them, and someone reports it, you get sanctioned by admin. (Fined, jailed, banned etc)

House Rules/ Laws
If you break them, it is not sanction-able by admins, but you bear the consequence in game. (eg shot at, destroyed, exiled, fined etc)

I did not find that in server rules.
If I will enter liberty space with my BS doing RP. I don`t think other will find that good and will let me do it.

If you don't find it in the server rules, then its not breaking any server rules. Nomad RP would be allowed in this case, sometimes It involves in pew, sometimes it might not. Any outcome would be referred to house rules instead and not be sanction-able unless its clearly violating the server rules.

[Lonely Werewolf]

Nomads can ally with anyone in RP. Even the BAF if nomads wanted.

I did not find that in server rules.
Maybe you read wrong ones.
If I will enter liberty space with my BS doing RP. I don`t think other will find that good and will let me do it.
The most important thing is stick to basic rules first.

Even if I don`t like some of server rules I still play by them!

Bloodtree this is going back to before where we explained the difference between server and RP rules. Nomads have no restrictions on who they ally with, you can check their ID here. Now compare that to a host of other IDs, DSE, Liberty Navy, Liberty Rogue and pirate.

You'll notice that the DSE and LR ID have strict guidelines on who they can ally with in a fight. The Navy less so, but they cannot take part in unlawful actions. While the pirate ID is fairly free (So technically a pirate ID player was working with a DSE player, I believe only the DSE player is in the wrong, however best to check someone more knowledgable than me on that).

However also important is this:

6.9 You must follow the restrictions/allowances of your ID, as well as the diplomacy of the NPC faction it represents. If your ID does not represent an NPC faction (generic IDs), then your reputation and conduct must match the actions of your character. You must not dock at bases that your NPC faction is hostile to, or attack allies of your NPC faction.

Note: IDs may contain restrictions/allowances which conflict with the rules. In these cases, the ID overrides the rules.

So generally all IDs which are enemies with eachother can't ally and fight together, but the NOMAD ID, with relavent RP can influence others and ally. I think you were just unfortunate enough to be on the recieving end of one of the more peculiar examples in Disco

EDIT: For example I saw LR and a Council player I think it was, get sanctioned as they were in same group and it appeared that they were allying with each other.

[BloodTree]

By "Pirate" I assume you mean the Samarran Raiders? They roleplay having some infectees / treating Nomads as something 'divine'. It's not far-fetched for Nomads to ally with them at all.

Nomads have no restrictions whatsoever in who they ally with because of situations like these. If another, non-nomad player wishes to, a Nomad could 'manipulate' them into allying and shooting other people.

Judging from your post, you're complaining that you were one of the Zoners farming Nomads and you got shot at by Nomads and allies because of it.

By pirate I mean any pirate faction.
In my story Is was Hunting nomad NPC with zoner BS and then come nomad+wild and I was fine with that but then come and joined them outcast and just started shoot me. And its just one of many example. I seen how freelancers join fight with pirate vs IMG cruiser. There is so much more story`s.

It`s one same problem gank others.

The fact is why violate rules doing RP stuff.
Why that player outcast could not buy right ID and ship and join fight then.

Maybe there need rule like when you smell that shit is coming you can shoot anyone. Like I hear that gank others is part of life here. Maybe i am just fool who follow server rules.

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Denialism is choosing to deny reality as a way to avoid an uncomfortable truth.

[Chrono]

Nomads can ally with anyone in RP. Even the BAF if nomads wanted.

I did not find that in server rules.
Maybe you read wrong ones.
If I will enter liberty space with my BS doing RP. I don`t think other will find that good and will let me do it.
The most important thing is stick to basic rules first.

Even if I don`t like some of server rules I still play by them!

I may not be able to call myself an expert on the server and house rules, but there are certain exceptions even to the server and house rules... and sometimes those exceptions come from the RP itself.

The Nomads have the ability to infect humans, thus creating a basic Nomad slave to do their bidding as is shown in the SP version of the original Freelancer. t=The players in question could very well have been an LR that was turned into an infected and then completely into one of them only in human form... yes, they should have had the proper ID / IFF / Ship / Equipment... but you may have just happened across the beginning of a char that's JUST been turned and has yet to, INRP, change ships to those that the Nomads deem worthy for one of their slaves to fly.

Other examples could include A bounty hunter suddenly turning on his comrades in the middle of a fight and fighting for the Rogues. This could be due to a deal that's JUST been struck with the lead LR in the current battle group to give the BHG safe harbor in exchange for information and possible short term servitude to the LR to see to it that the Bunter has cut all ties with the BHG and has truly become one of them. This could be due to the BHG char fearing for his life from his fellow BHG for a poorly planed and costly / deadly battle that he was souly responsible for...

Now like i said, i'm NOT an expert on either sets of official rules.. but I've come to find in the game that considering this IS a Role Playing game in which you take the role of the person flying that LR Werewolf VHF or Order Hathor Gunboat, that there are instances where the rules get a bit grayed out to fit the current Role Play situation... Now i'ts when a player blindly violates them to get what they want done INRP, then that's when they should get sanctioned or at least a stern, "Hey, remember, you can't fly a Navy Gunboat in the Liberty Rouges... No, not even if you say that your character stole it from a Navy shipyard.... Well, if you'd like to try that, then first try and get SPR permission for it, then if it's approved, have fun freakin out the guys at Alcatraz when you fly up i that thing." Then hopefully the player will take the advise and go about doing things in the proper way, though a record of the conversation should be kept by the player that called him / her out on it. Now should the same player be seen flying the same Navy Gunboat under the same ID / IFF that's not allowed, then a quick check of the SRP section of the forums and the player with the records of the discussion will know what they have to do.. 1: they make a sanction report given that there's nothing about the ship / player / char on the SRP forums. 2: they smile and decide to do the RP thing and say, " Hey Navy boy, I've got a convoy of Light arms headed for Alaska that's due to jump into California in 5 minutes via the Magellan Gate, you think you could grab a few of your fellow pilots and give me a hand with its protection.... Ok, ii'll meet you at the Cali side of the gate in 5, LSF-Whatchamacallit out." 5 minutes later, the convoy jumps into Cali and is greeted by the Navy Gunboat as well as a whole squadron of Rogues that seem to be just sitting there. Then the Comms open to the convoy from the Navy Gunboat, " MAN, i sure do like this piece of Liberty scrap i managed to steal, makes findin good cargo pretty easy, thanks for the tip by the way you LSF idiot.. Now, lower your shields and drop the cargo.. You play nicely and you just might live through this...." 10 minutes worth of RP later, the convoy get yelled at by the Rogues to beat it, and that the overly idiotic LSF agent that just called the Rogue Warlord a sissy girl that likes playing with dolls is told that those words will be his last. "WEAPONS HOT"

That's kinda how it works, though i'm NOT an expert on the rules, guys, feel free to pick apart my explanation and correct my screw ups if you would, though, this is how i've come to figure out the way of Sirius. As for you Blood, this is a game, yes there are rules to follow and those that don't, but please keep in mind that some of those rule violators might have been greenhorn players and didn't quite understand what they were doing wrong, and as for the "No one makes Sanctions any more", then why don't you try and start fixing that issue by writing sanction reports to help get Disco back on its feet rather than complaining about how screwed up the game is because no one does what, from what i can tell, you don't do either.

I apologize for that last bit, please don't take this as my flaming you or trying to start something.... the only thing i'm trying to start is the possible second golden age of Disco.

Safe Flying.

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[Haste]

Getting ganked when you're using a zoner BS to farm Nomads isn't very strange. You're invading the Nomads' home. Why wouldn't they crush you like the insect they consider you?

[Chrono]

Also, i just noticed the Poll you have up at the top of the Thread and though its a good poll, i think it should be worded a bit differently given that its a VERY vague question.. Something more along the lines of, " DO Serious Players of Disco play by the server rules versus players that don't Role Play and are only here for trolling and the fights?"

Just a thought.

Safe Flying.

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[Lonely Werewolf]

By pirate I mean any pirate faction.
In my story Is was Hunting nomad NPC with zoner BS and then come nomad+wild and I was fine with that but then come and joined them outcast and just started shoot me. And its just one of many example. I seen how freelancers join fight with pirate vs IMG cruiser. There is so much more story`s.

It`s one same problem gank others.

The fact is why violate rules doing RP stuff.
Why that player outcast could not buy right ID and ship and join fight then.

Maybe there need rule like when you smell that ***** is coming you can shoot anyone. Like I hear that gank others is part of life here. Maybe i am just fool who follow server rules.

I'm not surprised to see an Outcast helping Nomads, if you aware in RP they have ties with them, Cardamine grass is due to Nomads etc (best ask an Outcast player to explain it better, Outcast lore is not my strong point). Furthermore if you look here you can see that Outcasts even consider The Keepers K'Hara- Friendly and are neutral with The Wilde. If I fought both Outcasts and Nomads at same time, I would be excited as it'd be a chance for soem good RP hopefully.

As for seeing Freelancer assisting sides in battles, well yes that's what you'd expect to see, they are Freelancers afterall. If you look here, at section 3.

3. Mercenaries, freelancers and bounty hunters may be hired on the spot in game to assist with a combat without a forum post. The other parties involved in the combat must be made aware of this.

You can see that people can hire Freelancer's in-game to assist in combat (I think you have to hire for a minimum of 1 Mil though).

As for the last part of what you said, if you could shoot anyone if you "smell" trouble, there'd be anarchy, as I explained in your last thread. Ganking is unfortunately part of life here, we all get ganked all the time, little that can be done about it, except official player factions are to encourage fair fights. And no your not a fool for following server rules, people who don't folow the rules ruin it for others and are fools themselves as they'll eventually get caught and sanctioned.

Coming back to before about people "Flaming" or being hostile to you, as I said before you need to keep it civil here. All the posts here so far are calm and good attempts to answer your questions. But you've already started to show impatience, you must remember cursing is not allowed here, even if you hise it with astericks. I point you towards this thread. There is no need for it, perhaps that's why you've recieved in the past the responces you have?

As ever I hope that helped.

EDIT: In regards to hiring Freelancers, also refer to Server rule 7.1

7.1 All bounties must be posted on the forum. If you attack another player to claim a bounty and the bounty is not posted on the forum, you are open to a PvP abuse sanction.

Mercenaries, freelancers and bounty hunters may be hired on the spot in game to assist with a combat without a forum post. The other parties involved in the combat must be made aware of this.*

* Don't, like, be a mercenary hiring another mercenary to kill someone and then that mercenary hires you to help so you can run around mercenarying people. Or Cannon will probably delete all of your ships.

[Chrono]

No offense Blood, but you've JUST joined THIS month, why don't you actually take the time to read and consider the advise in the Welcome forum Here then after taking a few hours to familiarize your self with the rules, basic tutorials, and player input for different things, then play the game for longer than a few days, you might have a better understanding as to how things work and you might also understand why things happen in game as they do.

I'm sorry but to just arrive in an unknown land then walk up to one of the chiefs of a tribe and tell him that his religions is invalid and that THIS is how things need to go, has caused more than a few wars in past history.

Were trying to help you understand but all your doing is waving you version of law in our face. If you really want change, then please play a bit more and find things that would help the game change for the better.

That all sounded a bit flameish and i hate to admit that i am a bit upset by what I've been reading, but please understand that its all in the best of intentions.

Safe Flying.

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[Ayem]

There was a Zoner BS that I, as an Outcast, along with a bunch of other Outcasts and nomads exploded in Omicron 99. That's par for the course. If there aren't enough nomads about, we're often invited along as muscle. Since there were three Zoner BS's in the system at the time, much muscle was needed.

The player flying the destroyed Zoner vessel then went on a PM tirade against me (the isf| ). It's nothing personal, you were just in Nomad space shooting Nomads and we heart Nomads.

No names mentioned.

Edit: I just noticed you said "in my story I was hunting nomad". If you talk to the K'Hara players through the forum, I'm pretty sure they'd be happy to work out a scenario where you get to fight nomads and still escape at the end. Shooting till it's dead is just the default for interactions with random nomad npc farmers.

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[BloodTree]

Outcasts are mercenary for Nomads/Wild? I did not know that. Is it new thing?

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Denialism is choosing to deny reality as a way to avoid an uncomfortable truth.