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Panzer · 02-23-2008, 05:11 PM,

Voted yes. At least in order to eliminate these ships' explosion vulnerability.

However, the new ships shouldn't be replacement models, but sort of... more modern complement. Supporting the older ones and being rougly equal in stats.

chopper · 02-23-2008, 05:35 PM,

Titan isn't balanced, I agree.
But, Blood Dragon, Sabre, Wrath.. All of these are balanced with non-vanilla ships.
Even better.
Yes, they can be instant-killed, but they have much better stats then any non-vanilla ships.
Titan is really one of the worst vanilla ships out there, even worse then Templar (as his wings fall out after 3 hits).
I would rather see Centurion heavily boosted in stats, then a new Titan.
Centurion should be able to fight against Sabres, while Titan should be used for pirating and gunboats.
I fly many vanilla ships, and I simply think that removing wireframes will prolong battles even more.
Also, Jinx, 4 mine launchers?
I don't think it would work.. Why?
4 mines dropped in the same time would explode after 1 second, one would activate another etc.
They are too close to each other, they would explode at once.
Chain reaction.
It would be too easy to kill someone with that kind of device, that's my point.

Titan with those stats that it has now deserves to be a ship without wireframes.
Templar as well. All other vanilla ships are pretty good as they are.

I will wait for this discussion to move further, before deciding to vote.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

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mjolnir · 02-23-2008, 08:01 PM,

100% agree with Chopper and Doom..

it's not a bug that Vanilla ships can get insta-killed..

It is a bug that new ones cannot!!!

Fighting in vanilla ships is so much more fun because of that... I have some 8 fighters... all are Vanilla...

since yes they have boosted stats....and that's how it should be...

or you would need to up damage on nukes/missiles to kill non-vanilla ships.

Ask anyone about the top three VHFs on server.... Wrath, Sabre, BD... all vanilla.

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Titan is ok I would say.. Centurion could be boosted a bit

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Jinx · 02-23-2008, 08:08 PM,

@chopper: now you should be happy that i am not responsible for equipping ships:laugh:- i haven t thought of that of course. - i consider mines literally as "drop and forget" ... meaning, i actually forget them.

yes, it makes no sense - but anyway - i don t like to see another VHF fighter series, nor a close to vanilla but immune to blast damage fighterline. since we cannot convert the non vanilla ships to the vulnerability of vanilla ships - i think the best solution is to simply get rid of the loss of limbs problem ( which is not a problem, but a feature )

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chopper · 02-23-2008, 08:11 PM,

Huh, I don't know why, but i felt so proud when I returned my Titan without one wing on Crete.
It looks soooo sexy!

But yes, that is acceptable, since it really is easy to rip them off.
And what about Eagle? Does it's wings fall out too?
If they are, good. Eagle is so agile that it doesn't matter.
I fly it, but i never lost a wing or anything, so I can't tell.

Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

McNeo · 02-23-2008, 08:18 PM,

In terms of damage, the Eagle loses its wings faster than the Titan.

In terms of area of the wings compared to the ratio of damage dealt, the Titan loses its wings faster than any other vanilla ship in the game, bar the BD (which loses no guns from the loss of its wings) and the Chimaera (likewise).

Jinx · 02-23-2008, 08:18 PM,

maybe it is just me - but i don t think the eagle is agile. - all the eagle line rolls first before it turns when i make a change of direction. it does not respond as quickly as ... for example a hammerhead.

but maybe its just me. - in x.83, the eagle turned good, - but in x.84 all mk2 LFs and the eagle first roll and sort of shift to the opposite side of my screen before they start turning around....... .

and yes, the eagle drops its wings, too - but the wings of it are harder to hit than the titans.. in a few fights, i never lost any limb on my eagle. but when fighting NPC eagles, they loose their wings quickly when hit by a capship missile ( no, they don t blow up instantly from one, - the npc eagles )

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chopper · 02-23-2008, 08:23 PM,

Jinx, I think it has something to do with Camera.
I felt like that in Crow as well, like it's reacting slow.
But people couldn't hit me anyway. I just think : further the camera - more agile feeling you get.

Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

Othman · 02-23-2008, 08:23 PM,

Going to a battle in a titan is like going to your own funeral in a coffin..

On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.

pchwang · 02-23-2008, 08:28 PM,

I agree, but I think that only the Titan should get the upgrade.

The Sabre and the Eagle are fine, and that last thing I want to see at disco is everyone flying an Eagle. Maybe, we can increase the number of hitpoints the wings of the Eagle can take.

EDIT:

I agree with Mjolnir and Doom that it is really a bug that the new ships don't do this, but revamping all the ships will probably take too much time for Igiss. If this were possible, and several people got together to help Igiss out, this would definitely be the best solution possible. I fear, however, that this is impossible.

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Poll: Does Discovery Mod need remade MkII versions of vanilla VHFs? You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
Yes	72.73%	64	72.73%
No	27.27%	24	27.27%
Total		88 vote(s)	100%