' Wrote:Anyway, I think that since you guys are quite obviously not bad people it might be a good idea to put yourselves through Del's spring cleaning. It will churn through the kinks, and probably do wonders for your PR. I'd also like to recommend a freeze on > gunboat for the time being, or at least a freeze on non-BHG ships.
' Wrote:DW does not need any "spring cleaning" as you call it! We keep our own house in order, always have and always will.
As mentioned before, there are only a couple of DWs with liberty ship, which, as also mentioned, was allowed when bought. However these DWs ARE in the process of changing them to BH.
Also as previously mentioned many of us have more hours spent in our fighters than in larger ships....so
DW does not appreciate this unjustifiable tirade.
The DW Council is currently sitting to decide on our course of action, since our assistance of SA and LSF is obviously not appreciated, its time to review the situation.
' Wrote:One thing to consider is that 5 pages of this thread consist of several attacks against our clan. Some of the accusations are complete lies and other things that have been done against DW were not even brought to light. Unconfirmed at this point is one of our Liberty Carriers being attacked in New York by LSF forces. DW did not initate this conflict and did not fire during the entire thing. After respawning he was attacked and destroyed again. Then it was discussed by liberty forces that he should be imprisoned within new york and not allowed to leave. This is an Lawful faction attacking a Lawful faction, not once but 3 times.
On the subject of spring cleaning, how about stopping clans from imposing rules that allow them to attack other players based on an item that they dont even own or control. Or stop trying to introduce rules that do nothing to promote RP but to only justify a reason for more pvp battles.
I do not feel that DW would be opposed to discussing the RP aspects of our clan with an admin to sort things out. The way it was presented was nothing short of hostile though.
The first few pages were plenty hostile. The last one has not been. It has been fairly polite nudges, with you guys being unhappy...
' Wrote:As mentioned before, there are only a couple of DWs with liberty ship, which, as also mentioned, was allowed when bought. However these DWs ARE in the process of changing them to BH.
This is very good. Thank you.:D
Quote:On the subject of spring cleaning, how about stopping clans from imposing rules that allow them to attack other players based on an item that they dont even own or control. Or stop trying to introduce rules that do nothing to promote RP but to only justify a reason for more pvp battles.
I'm going to pull the "achoo, sorry I'm allergic to BS" here. You know it too. Take a look at the [RM]: they placed a ban on non-[RM] battleships. Do you know why? Because they were getting whored, taking the fun out of flying fighters/bombers. Some saw it quite nastily, but it is within their rights- they ARE the Rheinland Military, and as such have the right to do such a thing. Rheinland is THEIR territory, because they are OFFICIALLY the Rheinland Military. When a certain someone got quite angry at them, they had an RP post from the Gottkanzler. And no one complained, except the one guy who couldn't isolate forum accounts from RP chars.
If the OFFICIAL RHEINLAND MILITARY aren't allowed to control their own territory, then there is a serious problem. The same applies to Liberty forces- anyone RPing as Liberty law enforcement can enforce the laws of Liberty, and where there is consensus, make them. What happens without that right is that it isn't RP- it is just PvP with tags. The reason for it is to make other people RP by force- if you aren't Liberty Navy and have a Liberty Navy ship, then where did you get it? Other than the defender, they aren't handouts- either you got special approval or it was stolen. Guess what the military does about stolen military hardware.
I also seem to be under the impression that you were effectively 'loaned' capships until such time as you got your own. They are, after all, Navy hardware, and when they can snatch them back, they will. It happens in the real world, why shouldn't it happen here? Regardless, as Suzanna said, you guys are in the process of fixing this- kudos to that. Now if you'll notice, that was where people were unhappy- a vehemence to adhere to a makeshift ooRP permission over RP. Since that's being fixed, I'd appreciate a change of tone for everyone here. Be nice.
Quote:I do not feel that DW would be opposed to discussing the RP aspects of our clan with an admin to sort things out. The way it was presented was nothing short of hostile though.
The thing here is that you inhabit a server that isn't solely inhabited by you and admins- anything you do affects us. Now that the main issue is being fixed, go for the gold. If an admin helps you, while that might make you happy, it won't necessarily pull people off your back. If you make a total commitment to making your faction the best it can be FOR THE SERVER, people will be quite respectful of that. Much more than if you tell us we aren't important, which is the gist of Raekur's last post.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again- I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ANY OF YOU ARE TOTAL BASTARDS. Stop thinking that way, and fully embrace the community you are ostensibly a part of.
EDIT: Just saw Unselie's post, seeing that it took me awhile to write this... while I have more faith in the community here, I agree in essence. We should all be one big happy family, not a bunch of little families.
' Wrote:This is starting out to be a flame war that has to stop guys!!!
If you don't Know the Darkwing personally or you have not been on the discovery server 2 years, please don't respond from experience.
This flooding post has to stop.
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Thats all we need is another Clan to leave Discovery!!
Remember SF?
Just re-read this. You're kidding, right? PLEASE??? I seem to recall that two of our shining examples, Xoria and Angelfire, had been here, what a MONTH before writing some of the best stuff here? Time is irrelevant, its spirit that matters.
And SF didn't leave, they basically merged into QCRF... right?
Yes i do fly a liberty battlecruiser reason behind it, RP otherwhise i wouldn't have respend 240 mill after my first one got lost in a playerwhipe, the reason i have that ship is that half of my crew is from liberty space and when the ship was decommisioned was given to it's captain and crew whom now fly around as bounty hunters.
And i'll post the full story behind the Talanyi family later when i have time, something i rarely have at the moment due to real life and my job as forum admin and coder
' Wrote:Yes i do fly a liberty battlecruiser reason behind it, RP otherwhise i wouldn't have respend 240 mill after my first one got lost in a playerwhipe, the reason i have that ship is that half of my crew is from liberty space and when the ship was decommisioned was given to it's captain and crew whom now fly around as bounty hunters.
And i'll post the full story behind the Talanyi family later when i have time, something i rarely have at the moment due to real life and my job as forum admin and coder
Being a Liberatonian doesn't give you the right to fly whatever Liberty ship you please. And, if they were former Navymen, they certainly wouldn't have kept their battlecruiser.
Oh, and ships "decommissioned" by the Navy aren't given away either. Seeing as how the word "decommission" usually isn't part of Disco slang, I'll quote my good friend here:
dictionary.com Wrote:decommission
verb (used with object)
1. to remove or retire (a ship, airplane, etc.) from active service.
2. to deactivate; shut down: to decommission a nuclear power plant.
Obviously, a removed/retired ship isn't going into someone else's hands for personal use.
' Wrote:DW does not need any "spring cleaning" as you call it! We keep our own house in order, always have and always will.
As mentioned before, there are only a couple of DWs with liberty ship, which, as also mentioned, was allowed when bought. However these DWs ARE in the process of changing them to BH.
Also as previously mentioned many of us have more hours spent in our fighters than in larger ships....so
DW does not appreciate this unjustifiable tirade.
The DW Council is currently sitting to decide on our course of action, since our assistance of SA and LSF is obviously not appreciated, its time to review the situation.
Suzi
you do a great job, but if being a BH is not what they want,
come join the RoS the best RP active Outcast faction Discovery has ever seen:P
but as far as i am concerned, you guys should be more active, and for myself you guys do a great job now, better than your early days, ignore this lot:P
i wonder if Admins would be willing to help in these situations? it would be rare that the situation would justify such help and this case seems reasonably justified.
Being a navy person myself and having served a long time, I can see a little bit from teh Liberty side of things as that comes rather close to the navy i serve in.
Some one mentione getting his ship as a DeCom and it was given to captain and crew. I am sorry, I have to seriously question that. No right thinking navy would give away a multi-million cred ship to a old crew, espeicaly a navy crew. First thing they would have done is rotate that crew to other command as well as assigning the Captain a new command or advance him to a higher rate, which still gives him a new command.
The old ship would then spend a unspecified number of years in storage while critical and sensitive components are removed. And only then would they consider what to do with it. In the case of my Navy for example, we either Sell the ship to an Allied Government, scrap it for the steel and anything else salvageable, or scuttle it. Thats it.
Not when i said sell it, i said to an Allied Government. Not to an individual. Even by todays standard, there are far too few who can afford the price of even the smallest "capital" ships we occasinaly sell. And those persons are multi-billionairs who right would not even need millitary hardware.
I understand its easier to but ships ase thats just the way the game is, but I have seen where the rules mentioned something about keeping the ships and eqipment you use as close to faction/id type as possible.
Ok, so some of you are making an effort to change that. Good for you.
But for those who are taking their sweet time or simply not at all, dont be surprised when the people who control the space you inhabit start to take stronger measures against you. After all, its their territory. If you wnat to makes the "rules" for where you live, go out and grab some space for yourself and hold onto it with both fists.
AND if all else fails, go BUY a system. I am under the immpression that that option is possible, though costly. So if you really want it and put the effort into it, then Disco will only become a larger wilder place to live and work as more places are "Discovered", which I am all for.
But thats just my 2cents, lets get back to playing and having fun.
Liberty is way too crowded and as such people are way too jumpy in there. I did not have any experiences with DW during my time here except their OORP hunt of myself near Buffalo once on one of my pirate accounts. Here's an idea though: how about leaving Liberty and just taking place in one of the other houses? I am having a lot more fun on my RHA char than I had on any other ones so far due to the people involved. No doubt moving house to a different area of Sirius will be better for you as people there are far more relaxed away from the centre, just my opinion.
One complaint I have though is that I have never seen a DW in a fighter, except Suzanna. Maybe that should be mended a bit?
I have also seen Crunch in his bomber a few times.
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The problem is as Emily said, that we don't know you alot ; we don't know your RP, the way your faction work, your policies, etc, etc. And because of this, we get to where we are right now...
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In RP the LSF/SA/LPI can make whatever rules they want, since they are those controlling Liberty. And the penal code now is much more better than the old one. On the first Beta for example: Stealing a navy cap ship was fined 150,000,000 $. Cardamine dealing was fined: 50,000,000$. See the difference from there and now? We are pretty far from the ""Happy trigger Lawful" Image
Shikyo, also state some very valid point, Navy ships aren't sold to Independent when they are full of high tech stuff,,,, except maybe those old WW2 ships, but they are far from high tech. Some Ind. had an interesting idea to justify the use of their ship ; they have removed the frontal canon of lib GB/CR, Which I found extremely original and much more logical in"RP".
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If you have a good, well written and solid RP story to explain why you have such ship then it is fine for us
I haven't seen DW much myself, I inhabit systems way far with my characters, but even at it I've seen various ships being used, ranging from fighters to cruisers. So what's this fuss is all about then?
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