Negative consequences of moving best premium scrap selling points to Gallia

[Garrett Jax]

Maybe the Admins could restore your PScrap price temporarily as a test run to see if it helps. Maybe some RP in game and in the forums from your faction could then induce them to make it permanent. I've always had a soft spot in my heart for police factions. They have a hard enough time generating activity. It's nice when you can throw them an Apfelstrudel every now and then.

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[nOmnomnOm]

Lol thanks Chuba. Much appreciated. I see you are still hurt on the bottom.

Anyway as promised I have returned with the promise of explaining more.
I will first decompose the OP's statements replying to my original post and then post further.

I´m not sure what topic do you imply, maybe you can be more specific? But to answer the question, last one was few days ago (Sunday maybe? I´m not sure, someone else than me caught him), ship with artifacts.

So you are saying Sunday RFP logged in and caught a smuggler! Great! So when you say it effects smuggling in rheinland... i have yet to see the "lack" of smugglers being caught.
My point here is that firstly, the majority of smugglers are caught by non-police IDed players. This imo makes it easier for police factions since they do not have to log to collect money from caught victums. They can also choose whatever fine they want (in contrast to pirates asking for only 2-5 mils and 10 mill being far too much)
Secondly, If there is a decrease in police logging in then OFC you will find less smugglers.

I´m aware of this problem, which is mainly connected to fact that one of the Taus was removed and now the way is shorter. But it is way harder to convince devs to change system layout than to simply change prices. Also, if the price for Gamma will be same or even better than in Alpha, more people will travel through Rheinland (but I believe this will happen in smaller scale even without it, because simply not everyone want to go through Taus or know about this way).

But generally, my point is that this change didn´t bring any benefit to anyone, only hit negatively several factions. Like jammi said

I disagree. I will later on in this post show how changing prices for p-scrap or reverting will do NOTHING if you are dealing with a smart smuggler.

I´m not sure what you talk about. If you mean commodity buff events, last cardamine one happened in January (and cheese-BMM event you mentioned previously happened in April/May). And last time when IND got involved with contraband which I remember was actually connected to blood diamonds, it was in February or March. But what is your point?

I mean this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APxANwLw9DY

My point is that when other things were priced better the smuggling catching actually was better than instances with pscrap-smuggling.
Again, I will state more of this farther in this post.

This is Disco, someone is complaining about something constantly. What is your point?

This is an unfair statement to be made. You completely ignore what i wrote. the price to get to alpha was HUGE for a short distance. No one wanted to do any other ores! Do you not remember how bad it was and why it created such an uproar?


Alright now time to talk.

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P-scrap - Cardi or P-scrap - Artifacts do go into Rheinland or most houses.

If you looked at the map you will see there are different ways to get to Alpha/Gamma from Texas. The best ways do not even include houses.

To Alpha:
Texas to Cali JH > Cali to the planet and use the lanes or dont use the lanes and got to Cortez JH or JG > Cortez to Coronado> Coronado to Bering> Bering to Tau 29 > Tau 29 to Tau 23> to Tau 31 > Omicron 80> Alpha

To Gamma/Alpha :
Texas to Minnesota > New Hamshire > Ellesmere > Sigma 59 > Sigma 13
From Sigma 13 you can split off and go to either Gamma or Alpha. It is basically a route that gives the p-scrap smuggler a path through no houses and where people never go. They are almost empty systems! EASY

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The smuggler avoiding cops situation:

As a smart smuggler you will be watching the player chats. If you see a problem you will do one of a few things:
1) Not enter/avoid
2) F1/Dock and wait
3) Drop cargo and find something else to go back with
4) Fly at low pop times
5) above/below plane (though this is not so smart as a cop may camp a gate/hole)

The very fact that smuggling has to be done with no detection just gets me annoyed every time. I dont mind that there can be a fine payed by the individual caught in game or their ship be blown up... but the pressure adds when you do it in a faction and when one person gets caught the cops then threaten entire faction FR5! What are you planning to accomplish from this? Exactly what? Do you think this will contribute POSITIVELY to RP health and your smuggling catching needs?

I remember when smugglers actually liked to get caught and then challenge themselves to ease the cops to letting them go. That's not the case anymore. It forces the smugglers to give 0 crap to wanting to RP or interact with ANYONE becasue ANYONE can be a snitch.

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p-scrap is legal. Cardi/Artifacts isnt

Another issue if that p-scrap as a junker is legal and they cannot really be stopped by most factions. You wont as a cop be able to fine them in any way if they are properly set up. The only chance you have is in their return. But what guarantees you that they will return with contraband? Nothing in fact. I know factions that took low-priced stuff back rather than cardi so they wouldnt get caught. .:j:. for example. Smart thing to do you if you want to AFK trade.

We are focusing on p-scrap. Why? What will that change for smuggling ? Nothing actually. Why not focus on smuggling ? why not put the prices up for Cardi? Why not have sell points in places other than Liberty that are attractable? How about having the same price as Manhatten in NB planet? Things like that.

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Farther is more reward

while i am not an expert and karst stated that there is no relation, I will still say that giving the prices up in gamma/alpha will undermine other ores yet again becasue of how close it is. We will have a lot of junkers moving up and down and it will hit other factions too for activity becasue rather than keeping balance in ores we would rather make one ore better than the other. Everyone will want to do it to make the most cash.

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I probably left something out as i was thinking all about it... but these are the main points. In summary, P-scrap will not solve your smuggling delema for having more smugglers going through house space. It will actually make it worse. Further as well is the relation between cops-smuggler imo is broken and rather than having a good time to RP, a smuggler when caught has to fear that he screwed up everything for everyone if he is in a group with others.

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[nOmnomnOm]

Maybe the Admins could restore your PScrap price temporarily as a test run to see if it helps. Maybe some RP in game and in the forums from your faction could then induce them to make it permanent. I've always had a soft spot in my heart for police factions. They have a hard enough time generating activity. It's nice when you can throw them an Apfelstrudel every now and then.

the problem is you have other non-police factions doing the work for police factions. :|

[Garrett Jax]

I have enough respect for Laura C, that if he/she states it will generate police activity, then it will. Rheinland could use the boost and a temp run hurts no one.

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[nOmnomnOm]

I have enough respect for Laura C, that if he/she states it will generate police activity, then it will. Rheinland could use the boost and a temp run hurts no one.

Please read my post that shows how Rheinland, with the P-scrap being the issue, doesn't get helped.

If you have... well then we will just see how many bad/clueless smugglers are caught. B|

[Sciamach]

The hit to P.scrap in Alpha was pretty rough; we're still having difficulties drumming up activity anywhere near the numbers we had back when there were ships coming in and out of Alpha on a half-hour basis or so

I do believe Karst and Jammi came up with some changes to the ore system that would have put Malta back on the map but so far I've heard nothing on the matter. So I guess I'll just sit here and wait for eternity then-

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[ sci·am·ach ]
/sīˈamək/

A simple, angry man casually working his way through life on a personal quest to acquire copious amounts of street cred.

[nOmnomnOm]

The hit to P.scrap in Alpha was pretty rough; we're still having difficulties drumming up activity anywhere near the numbers we had back when there were ships coming in and out of Alpha on a half-hour basis or so

I do believe Karst and Jammi came up with some changes to the ore system that would have put Malta back on the map but so far I've heard nothing on the matter. So I guess I'll just sit here and wait for eternity then-

why not buff the price of Cardimine with you Faction Perk?
You do realize that you can do a Commodity perk. Right?

[Sciamach]

Well aware of the fact, but a full round-trip is preferred. Cardi itself already makes a nice return-item, but slave prices just aren't cutting it.

There were attempts to buff slave prices but all involved parties decided to go unresponsive or uncooperative.

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[ sci·am·ach ]
/sīˈamək/

A simple, angry man casually working his way through life on a personal quest to acquire copious amounts of street cred.

[Lythrilux]

The hit to P.scrap in Alpha was pretty rough; we're still having difficulties drumming up activity anywhere near the numbers we had back when there were ships coming in and out of Alpha on a half-hour basis or so

I do believe Karst and Jammi came up with some changes to the ore system that would have put Malta back on the map but so far I've heard nothing on the matter. So I guess I'll just sit here and wait for eternity then-

why not buff the price of Cardimine with you Faction Perk?
You do realize that you can do a Commodity perk. Right?

Seems kind of unfair that Cross would have to use their faction perk to fix a trade route that was ruined by people not actually understanding pscrap and taking the wrong measures to target the abusers. And fyi those aren't even permanent.

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[nOmnomnOm]

lyth why is it unfair? What do you mean?

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