Sirius Rogues Faction information & Feedback

[Trivjum]

Hello SR
Concerning your announcment to attack a Junker base:

1) Rogues and Junkers are supposed to be at least neutral, right? Why are you so mean to a Junker?
2) Why are you attacking a Junker base that is situated in a Junker home system? Why do you care that it is in Peuto Rico? Shouldnt the congress be dealing with that? You know... junkers back up their junker friends. Oh wait... you both are the same people.
3) You gave a noob 8 hours to reply. How sucky can you be? What if he is sleeping now and has to go out tomorrow and cannot have time to reply? Do you really think that PoB will get any progress if you give it 48 hours to reply?

This just looks to me like you are using your SR faction for congress dealings and the diplomacy and way you do it is bad.

I'm not usually one to get involved in these kind of things but this just doesn't sit right with me at all so to add to everything that's been said by Nomnom which I agree with, what the hell?

Like really, you can see that the man's a new player or at least he definitely doesn't have the same veterancy of other players here. Imagine being him, you get to build your first FOB, how cool is that? My own POB finally, I get to do fun stuff, I get to run something in the game and do some RP!!! So fun! Oh wait, the big shot Junkers of the server don't want that. We don't want another JUNKER BASE in a JUNKER SYSTEM that's not ours, certainly not but we're junkers, what can we do about it? Oh wait, we conveniently also own this other faction that can "protect" any Junker interest (Only our own though), from even other junkers!. So what should we do about this poor guy? Oh I know, let's just screw all his shit up.

And to make things worst, you give the man 8 hours.. 8 hours? Has it never occured to you that some people might have responsibilities? I don't know, work? School? Studies? Practice? Kids? I often work saturdays and if I was that man, I would almost crack up at how ridiculous this all is. Imagine coming back from a normal day of whatever you are doing that day, ready to hop on Discovery only to see that your base has been obliterated because you've been slightly busy having a life to figure out you were supposed to push your real life responsibilities aside because you were given a measly 8 hours to answer.

Everything about this is absolutely ridiculous, it's a pure show of power with nothing more than bullshit RP to back it up all because some Veteran group of players wants to keep their monopoly over a system and a faction. What reason do you have to destroy that base other than what I mentionned previously? Nothing because there's no legitimate reason and you know it.

This RP is nothing more than "Hi, we see you made a base so we're saying we're going to attack it because the rules forces us to." But there's nothing to actually back it up. No backstory, no clear motive, nothing.

[nOmnomnOm]

For someone who complains about people not responding to RP fast enough, you sure do make a big deal when someone follows the rules to the letter.

Let's break down the answers now.

1) Neutrality doesn't stop you from getting pirated/blackmailed/extorted.

2) The Sirian Rogues conducted some roleplay involving blackmailing the Congress for ownership of one of the NPC stations present in the system and have a strong presence there.

3) The POB existed for quite a few days. 8 Hours is the minimum. Being a noob or not doesn't prevent you from being extorted. 8 hours is plenty of time to respond. Calling people sucky is a little rude. It's their loss if their POB dies. That's the risk of building bases. There isn't a grace period. They're pirates. In space. They want money and power. They're following their roleplay to the letter, as well as the rules.

Thank you for your reply and seeing how you think and operate.
Pretty much all I need to know.

[Junker Congress]

Everyone calm down. Nom, you have no idea what is going on here. Puerto Rico is changing, and the Rogues will have a foothold in the system. This little bit of RP is being used to facilitate a much bigger fight between the two factions. I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself as you are not involved in the ever changing Junker or Rogue diplomacy. {SR} is not being used to enforce Junker Congress diplomacy. It is being used to role play the establishment of Rogue operations within Puerto Rico. Junker Congress is not and will not be immune to the rift being developed between the Rogues and Junkers. A fight is on the near horizon, and the winds of change are blowing. Thank you for jumping to conclusions and trying to "out" a group of players that would rather see system changes include RP background vs uncoordinated alteration. As of right now this station isn't really in any sort of danger, nor will it be in the near future. Please, continue to involve yourself in matters you know nothing of.

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[nOmnomnOm]

Ah yes also please continue to play yourself the victim rather than just explain to people that are outside your 2 factions.
Thank you for your explanation. No matter how much inside the lines you have thrown at me."


Edit: for the record, one asks questions BECAUSE they don't know. Your last sentence is very unfair in trying to put me down. Thanks.

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[Trivjum]

Everyone calm down. Nom, you have no idea what is going on here. Puerto Rico is changing, and the Rogues will have a foothold in the system. This little bit of RP is being used to facilitate a much bigger fight between the two factions. I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself as you are not involved in the ever changing Junker or Rogue diplomacy. {SR} is not being used to enforce Junker Congress diplomacy. It is being used to role play the establishment of Rogue operations within Puerto Rico. Junker Congress is not and will not be immune to the rift being developed between the Rogues and Junkers. A fight is on the near horizon, and the winds of change are blowing. Thank you for jumping to conclusions and trying to "out" a group of players that would rather see system changes include RP background vs uncoordinated alteration. As of right now this station isn't really in any sort of danger, nor will it be in the near future. Please, continue to involve yourself in matters you know nothing of.

Feels a bit like a PR stunt to me. So you use the base of a new player as collateral for a developping story (Between both your own factions) that most people didn't know a thing about until just now? Isn't there seriously not any other way? I've yet to see a .:J:. ingame that's not rank 90, don't tell me you don't have the resources to set up an amazing RP story behind the widening divide between the Junkers and the Rogues without making the main victim a new player that has no clue what the hell is going on between your two factions.

Keep in mind that this is also the Feedback thread so I don't know why we're being attacked for doing exactly that, giving our feedback.

I did kind of expect the group to take the moral high ground and dismiss any feedback we might have and play the victim card though but I still feel the need to speak out about this.

I wouldn't have any problem if there was a better established RP around this (And it seems there is, except it's only between two factions that are nearly one in the same) but the fact is, the RP isn't established at all and the one losing the most in all of this is a group of players that have absolutely no clue what the hell is going on because they weren't included in anything. They weren't included in any of the fun parts, just the bad where they risk losing their base because of RP reasons only two (one?) group of players know as of now.

It just feels like a big screw you to this player and quite frankly, doesn't feel like you're doing this for RP reasons but just for personal reasons and using RP as a scapegoat for it. The background RP reasons we have to the attack is literally 3 lines long, that just doesn't quite cut it and saying that's a RP reason is very generous.

[Divine]

[101st] has the Rogues still set to hostile, though this might change due to lack of combat interactions to suspicious neutral in the near future.
Contrary to what you've listed us as, we're either way definitely not your friends. You can keep it at friendly if that's your position towards the Ghosts, but don't expect much love to come your way from us. You're always welcome trying to change this.

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[Sirius Rogues]

[101st] has the Rogues still set to hostile, though this might change due to lack of combat interactions to suspicious neutral in the near future.
Contrary to what you've listed us as, we're either way definitely not your friends. You can keep it at friendly if that's your position towards the Ghosts, but don't expect much love to come your way from us. You're always welcome trying to change this.

I had not realized this. I will fix it right now. If it is possible, can you send me some of the background information/RP that resulted in the hostility between the two factions? Is this specifically the [101st] or all Outcasts? So far our interactions with other OC have been pleasant.

Edit: Moved to Unfriendly. We can change to Hostile if you feel that is required. I would like to discuss this further when we both have the time to chat.

[Divine]

I had not realized this. I will fix it right now. If it is possible, can you send me some of the background information/RP that resulted in the hostility between the two factions? Is this specifically the [101st] or all Outcasts? So far our interactions with other OC have been pleasant.

It's just the [101st] and originated from LR- to [101st].
As the LR- is gone since a while and other interactions with the Rogues had been less stressful as well as the Rogues providing assistance/support, the diplomacy might change by our side on its own from hostile to suspicious neutral in the near future, but not much beyond that if there's no actual interaction trying to resolve the current situation.

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[Skorak]

Though I'd like to mention that 101st is no longer Outcast Guard and Divine said it's now personal RP and not the faction anymore.

Just so it doesn't affect the other Outcast groups.

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[Divine]

Though I'd like to mention that 101st is no longer Outcast Guard and Divine said it's now personal RP and not the faction anymore.
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That's not quite correct, but my fault for not having worded the respective post correctly in the first place. See here for more information: [101st] Ghosts of Razgriz Maltese Spectres.

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