Sirius Rogues Faction information & Feedback

[Kauket]

Ah yes also please continue to play yourself the victim rather than just explain to people that are outside your 2 factions.
Thank you for your explanation. No matter how much inside the lines you have thrown at me."


Edit: for the record, one asks questions BECAUSE they don't know. Your last sentence is very unfair in trying to put me down. Thanks.

You know... junkers back up their junker family. Oh wait... you both are the same people.

yeah ok, don't (metaphorically) shoot at people and expect them to not clarify.


They gave a reasonable answer. There was going to be an change in the upcoming update - but they feel like that it should have some background - which I think is good. Does it matter if the participants are unofficial? I don't think so. It's better than having no faction move the lore forward at all.

[Jeremy Hunter]

The Order is set to friendly. Now, I do like this, though I don't know where the RP came from.

Any reason? I'm just curious

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[Trivjum]

Ah yes also please continue to play yourself the victim rather than just explain to people that are outside your 2 factions.
Thank you for your explanation. No matter how much inside the lines you have thrown at me."


Edit: for the record, one asks questions BECAUSE they don't know. Your last sentence is very unfair in trying to put me down. Thanks.

You know... junkers back up their junker family. Oh wait... you both are the same people.

yeah ok, don't (metaphorically) shoot at people and expect them to not clarify.


They gave a reasonable answer. There was going to be an change in the upcoming update - but they feel like that it should have some background - which I think is good. Does it matter if the participants are unofficial? I don't think so. It's better than having no faction move the lore forward at all.

You're dodging the issue here and only selectively picking what suits you. The problem isn't that one of the participant is an unofficial, the problem here is that said unofficial participant is only a participant in the part of the script where it goes "you're dead" and that is certainly not reasonable. Another big offender is how none of that script is known to anyone except the SR and Junkers Congress which might as well both be the same faction and the one getting the brunt force of it is some random guy trying to have fun.

[Kauket]

tbh what are you expecting from more from the Rogues? They're dirty gangsters not business men, ofc they'll want to kill you or plunder you for money lol and this isn't a new scenario either.

Whilst the Junker factions aren't really tight, like JM and Congress - they'll still help each other out. Though these 2 factions don't really share the same diplomacy.

although i haven't seen the congress stance on this so i can't really determine those claims on them "staying out of it" until they publicly say so

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[Sirius Rogues]

So you use the base of a new player as collateral

this station isn't really in any sort of danger, nor will it be in the near future.

main victim a new player that has no clue what the hell is going on

Actually, 2 of our members have had encounters with this player. His English is very poor and he has to utilize google translate to communicate in the game. Perhaps he did not understand what we tried to convey to him from both factions. To say this player is/was not informed is a gross misrepresentation of what has actually taken place.

Keep in mind that this is also the Feedback thread so I don't know why we're being attacked for doing exactly that, giving our feedback.

This just looks to me like you are using your SR faction for congress dealings

This was not intended as a means of feedback. It was a direct attempt at "calling out" a group of players. We know how to separate the goals of the two factions. At no point has {SR} been utilized as a Junker Congress enforcer faction. Nor will it ever be. Of course we are open to feedback, and nothing written was targeted at you.

And it seems there is, except it's only between two factions that are nearly one in the same

Actually, we have diligently tried to RP in quite a few areas. However, there is a group of players on this server that just downright refuse to RP with us because of their personal dislike of the players involved. We don't hold that against them, that's their choice. When faced with the choice of "No RP vs Some RP (even if it's with each other)" I think most people would choose "Some RP".

They weren't included in any of the fun parts, just the bad where they risk losing their base

Once again, yes, we contacted visser. Perhaps he didn't understand, English is not his primary language. If he does have issue with his station being utilized (and once again, it will not actually be attacked) to further the RP then we will owe him an apology.

It just feels like a big screw you to this player and quite frankly, doesn't feel like you're doing this for RP reasons but just for personal reasons and using RP as a scapegoat for it.

What personal gain would we have for staging a fight between Junker Congress and Sirius Rogues other than to move the plot forward? We will take your feedback into consideration in the future and try our hardest to not include indies and new players in any sort of interactions that they may possibly benefit or learn from.

[Sirius Rogues]

The Order is set to friendly. Now, I do like this, though I don't know where the RP came from.

Any reason? I'm just curious

We don't have beef with the guys that keep Nomads from destroying the Universe as we know it! Seriously though, most factions that are not a House Military should have Order way up there on their rep sheets. Huge amounts of support and appreciation should be shown to this faction.

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[Kauket]

just saying, diplomacy with the Rogues and the Order was lost and recently an Order Cruiser was blown up for being near Buffalo.

You'll have to rework for it, not just "oh hey, they're cool, so we're friends now" - type of approach, (although I guess order should technically have agents in the houses - even so, wouldn't really make them automatic friends with outlaws).

I dunno about you but to most Rogues, Nomads aren't really their issue or care, and could be a load of ninny to them. "Why should I care about squids" is pretty much their apathetic stance, just more fun to blow up.

[Trivjum]

tbh what are you expecting from more from the Rogues? They're dirty gangsters not business men, ofc they'll want to kill you or plunder you for money lol and this isn't a new scenario either.

Also Junkers aren't one faction, and they don't /have/ to look out for other Junkers, they're not all the same people or group, like the Zoners - it's more of a community - but it's more of a decency thing to give Junker 'brothers' a hand. JM doesn't care what Congress does, neither does Congress for JM.

Oh boy, the cherry picking again. By your very same logic, I should be able to kill on sight absolutely anyone without a word as a pirate because I'm a dirty gangster and not a business men, of course I'll want to kill and plunder everyone for money. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. This is a RP server where we're not gangster in real life and we simply RP one in game. As such, this is why we have certain rules pertaining to RP. This is on the same level as "Engaging" and going gung ho weapons hot on everything in sight.

The problem has nothing to do with Junkers Congress not wanting to help other Junkers, hell, I don't think this has ever been mentionned at all by any of us against what's happening right now so I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve here, you brought up something that has never been brought up before as an issue.

The issue is that a RP happening between two factions that are more or less the same group of players are doing RP behind the scene and the only RP the rest of the community that don't belong to either Junkers Congress or Sirius Rogues see is the part where this random guy has to participate in the "u die now lol" part of the script. Or at least, so says Junkers Congress, who knows if it's a PR Stunt and they're trying to somewhat justify that they're practically double teaming an independant player or there's really something bigger behind the picture.

Regardless of which of the two is true, it still doesn't change what is happening right now. Huge RP story in the making or not, as of now, absolutely no RP has been established about it outside of the Junkers Congress and Sirius Rogues own minds and Skype groups so it's really not reasonable to just expect us to accept it and go with it because we were told "Well, maybe we have a huge RP story, maybe we don't. We say we do but you can't know for sure but you'll accept that, right?"

In fact, I hadn't a single clue that Rogues and Junkers were even on shaky grounds to one another until like 30 minutes ago. Now I'm suddenly supposed to believe that this is all good and there's nothing happening that can and will affect the fun of a group of players.

Going back to the issue that you personally brought up about Junkers Congress not caring about other Junkers, if they don't care for other Junkers, why do they get to decide their RP then? As you said, there's not one big group, they're just a bunch of individual groups that happens to be under the same name for simplifcation. In this case, why do they get to choose their RP?

As I said, this is just a show of force to show that the Junkers Congress owns Puerto Rico and they want to keep a monopoly on the system and will resort to underhanded tactics and blatant powergaming to do that just so that their little group of veterans can stay relevant at the expense of everyone else that's not part of them.

Maybe it's not too and they really have something in store. Point is, this was handled absolutely awfully by everyone involved.

[Kauket]

tbh what are you expecting from more from the Rogues? They're dirty gangsters not business men, ofc they'll want to kill you or plunder you for money lol and this isn't a new scenario either.

Also Junkers aren't one faction, and they don't /have/ to look out for other Junkers, they're not all the same people or group, like the Zoners - it's more of a community - but it's more of a decency thing to give Junker 'brothers' a hand. JM doesn't care what Congress does, neither does Congress for JM.

The problem has nothing to do with Junkers Congress not wanting to help other Junkers, hell, I don't think this has ever been mentionned at all by any of us against what's happening right now so I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve here, you brought up something that has never been brought up before as an issue.

2) Why are you attacking a Junker base that is situated in a Junker home system? Why do you care that it is in Peuto Rico? Shouldnt the congress be dealing with that? You know... junkers back up their junker family. Oh wait... you both are the same people.

[Trivjum]

tbh what are you expecting from more from the Rogues? They're dirty gangsters not business men, ofc they'll want to kill you or plunder you for money lol and this isn't a new scenario either.

Also Junkers aren't one faction, and they don't /have/ to look out for other Junkers, they're not all the same people or group, like the Zoners - it's more of a community - but it's more of a decency thing to give Junker 'brothers' a hand. JM doesn't care what Congress does, neither does Congress for JM.

The problem has nothing to do with Junkers Congress not wanting to help other Junkers, hell, I don't think this has ever been mentionned at all by any of us against what's happening right now so I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve here, you brought up something that has never been brought up before as an issue.

2) Why are you attacking a Junker base that is situated in a Junker home system? Why do you care that it is in Peuto Rico? Shouldnt the congress be dealing with that? You know... junkers back up their junker family. Oh wait... you both are the same people.

Alright I'll give it to you, you got me on that but what about everything else? I still see nothing but cherry picking from you.