Sirius Rogues Faction information & Feedback

[nOmnomnOm]

Edit: remove. there is no point in this.

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[Trivjum]

Okay, Trivjum, you seem to be asking one specific thing over and over again, and claiming to not be receiving an answer, thus, I will do so now. You claim that threatening a POB with it's destruction without it's owners being a part of any RP leading up to it is wrong. You also claim that because the players are new, that they should be given some leeway and allowed a bit of room for their actions. You claim that this is all an unfair approach on the part of the {SR} and that it is wrong. You say all of this but seem to be overlooking the fact that these payers have OBVIOUSLY played long enough to earn the credits to build said POB, to supply said POB, and obviously have enough knowledge of how this game works to have even BUILT said POB.

Well, they did so in an area who's inhabitants do not like it, a group friendly to said group decided to take actions against such a blatant offense and thus have issued a deceleration of attack. This is all done perfectly well, and I'm sure, knowing the two parties involved, that they went about this properly and with PROPER RP.

So there you have it, they pitched their tent on someones front lawn, the home owner didn't like it and neither did their friend, so their friend is gunna kick it down and throw it out into the street. This is called RP.

As for my comments on nOmnomnOm, I stick by them, but what is said in NO WAY reflects that of the {SR} because as I said i my first post, I am NOT a part of the faction any longer.

First of all, thanks for finally talking about the actual problem rather than resorting to personal attacks, it is a welcome change.

You are right, new player or not, perhaps they should not be given a leeway and I can agree with that so you've won me on that.

However now, the one thing that doesn't sit right with me is this sentence in particular: "You claim that threatening a POB with it's destruction without it's owners being a part of any RP leading up to it is wrong."

Read yourself over a little bit. Read it twice or thrice if need be, does this really make sense to you? Threatening the destruction of a POB without any RP leading up to it is literally just another way of saying that they're threatening the destruction of a POB without any RP at all.

And I don't mean that "literally" in a figurative sense, I mean that "literally" in a literal way. Just analyze the phrase itself. It's the same thing as destroying an enemy player's ship without any RP leading up to it, isn't that what we call DMing and isn't that a bannable offense?

The two parties are nearly one and the same too but under a different name and under different characters, put yourself in that groups situation for a second, wouldn't you think it is a little bit weird to have a declaration of war against yourself by the same group your faction belongs to except under a different name? Now we're being told that they're used as some sort of Catalyst between a Junker and Rogue war which is fine but where is that RP surrounding all that? Shouldn't it be made readily available? All I've personally seen so far is a 3 lines "I don't like where your base is so I will destroy it" excuse of a RP.

I am all about encouraging RPing and advancing the story. Hell, a Junker and Rogue war would be freaking awesome if I must say so myself. I just think it's handled wrongly and that's what really rubs me the wrong way. Not the idea of it but the execution of it.


Just to make things clear here, I used to play looong ago and I'm back from a long break and I'm really rusty about everything. As such I don't actually have a bone to pick with anyone nor do I hate anyone in this thread that's been with or against me, it would be my pleasure to RP with any of you somewhere down the line so do not take this as a personal attack to any of you as that is not my intention, simply my (Albeit maybe a little bit heated) opinion on the whole situation. Thank you!

[A.D.D.I.C.]

Actual feedback whether good or bad can be useful and constructive. Yet when this so called feedback was given I would like to point out it was only designed to do one thing. To call two factions out because they have alot of the same members in both. Even though neither would admit to it and one chose to hide their true identity. Their reason for doing this was for personal bias and grievances against members of the Congress. Does it matter that there are folks in the SR that are not in Congress, Does it matter that the folks playing in the two factions want to have VERY DIFFERENT characters in the VERY DIFFERENT FACTIONS. Where does it say that one person cannot be in or lead two different factions on this RP server. Also does it matter that the base in question ran by a certain noob lolwut doesn't even care enough to respond or RP in forum/game. You two and yes I am looking at you Nom and you alternate account Trivjum (trying to hide). Which by the way we know the name you use as your main account and certain other folks know too. Rather hard to ignore that in almost all of your supposed "feedback" posts it appeared your only intent was to call the two factions out.

(And it seems there is, except it's only between two factions that are nearly one in the same)

Another big offender is how none of that script is known to anyone except the SR and Junkers Congress which might as well both be the same faction and the one getting the brunt force of it is some random guy trying to have fun.

The issue is that a RP happening between two factions that are more or less the same group of players are doing RP behind the scene and the only RP the rest of the community that don't belong to either Junkers Congress or Sirius Rogues see is the part where this random guy has to participate in the "u die now lol" part of the script.

The two parties are nearly one and the same too but under a different name and under different characters, put yourself in that groups situation for a second, wouldn't you think it is a little bit weird to have a declaration of war against yourself by the same group your faction belongs to except under a different name?

Feedback is one thing, trolling is another. An apology would be nice but of course will never be given. Still in the future I ask that you keep your feedback constructive and refrain from referring to the TWO DIFFERENT FACTIONS as the same group. This is simply untrue regardless if there are individuals choosing to be a part of both factions.

To the rest I thank you for you comments, questions and actual feedback.

[Demonic]

Well, that's all nice and interesting, but I would really like to know what RP was there about destroying the base other than those two or three posts in the base's topic and little in game stuff. And even theat little is... well let's say that giving someone 8 hours to respond before ye declare the intent of attack is unfair at least. During 8 hours, there's actually rather big chance the guy won't even notice it, since he might not be on the computer at all. I just remember Solitaire Metropolis, which was atacked by Official Faction, and even that only after a long RP and even the single thread when it's owner tried to reason with Hesians was longer than your whole RP with the base's owner.

Hell, even those trigger happy Gauls gave at least 24 hours to GalSpan and gave them chance to expalin themself even after that time limit has passsed. And GRN is Official faction too!

It kinda feels wrong, that an fresh unofficial group is already targetting base for desctruction, after little to no RP, and in the System which actually kinda belong to faction witch the base is an "indie" of.

The explanation about JK and SR being the same or partially same people and SR doing ooRP dirty job for JK... is kinda offering itself. Regardless if it is right or not.

And If there IS some larger roleplay between JK and SR that was kept between those two groups, than I say either make it public or don't use it as a reason for the hostilities.

Howgh

[Altejago]

Goddamn, the two most annoying players here are still bickering years later.

Just hook up already.

As for the base declaration, who cares? You all only seem too only because you're not involved and these Rogues aren't main stream.

(Can't get over the bickering still)

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[NOVA-5]

Does it matter that Rogues were invited to Puerto then began to chastise Junkers in their own home.
Does it matter that they could soon be exiled with a boot up their arse.
Does it matter that Cardamine may be cut off to Liberty in response to their actions against Junkers.

[Stoner_Steve]

It seems like more folks are upset about the 8 hour 'timer' on the attack than the RP behind the attack. You should argue here for me

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[A.D.D.I.C.]

Well, that's all nice and interesting, but I would really like to know what RP was there about destroying the base other than those two or three posts in the base's topic and little in game stuff. And even theat little is... well let's say that giving someone 8 hours to respond before ye declare the intent of attack is unfair at least. During 8 hours, there's actually rather big chance the guy won't even notice it, since he might not be on the computer at all. I just remember Solitaire Metropolis, which was atacked by Official Faction, and even that only after a long RP and even the single thread when it's owner tried to reason with Hesians was longer than your whole RP with the base's owner.

Hell, even those trigger happy Gauls gave at least 24 hours to GalSpan and gave them chance to expalin themself even after that time limit has passsed. And GRN is Official faction too!

It kinda feels wrong, that an fresh unofficial group is already targetting base for desctruction, after little to no RP, and in the System which actually kinda belong to faction witch the base is an "indie" of.

The explanation about JK and SR being the same or partially same people and SR doing ooRP dirty job for JK... is kinda offering itself. Regardless if it is right or not.

And If there IS some larger roleplay between JK and SR that was kept between those two groups, than I say either make it public or don't use it as a reason for the hostilities.

Howgh

First who is JK?? Second the instances you mentioned involved groups that did some actual RP or hell at least spoke to one another. You want larger roleplay?? OK then get the guy to talk and maybe we could have it. I'm really not sure just what more we can do when it comes to a lolwut that silent trades, docks and shoots at anyone he comes in contact with.
Plus just how many hours have gone by now.. 8 hours was what was required but that has come and gone LOOOONG ago.

Does it matter that Rogues were invited to Puerto then began to chastise Junkers in their own home.
Does it matter that they could soon be exiled with a boot up their arse.
Does it matter that Cardamine may be cut off to Liberty in response to their actions against Junkers.

We were not invited..
Go ahead and try it....

[NOVA-5]

Say goodbye to Carolina.
Unpacking the rivet gun for the 18 holers now.
Choke on your Synth Weed sucker...

[nOmnomnOm]

Actual feedback whether good or bad can be useful and constructive. Yet when this so called feedback was given I would like to point out it was only designed to do one thing. To call two factions out because they have alot of the same members in both. Even though neither would admit to it and one chose to hide their true identity. Their reason for doing this was for personal bias and grievances against members of the Congress. Does it matter that there are folks in the SR that are not in Congress, Does it matter that the folks playing in the two factions want to have VERY DIFFERENT characters in the VERY DIFFERENT FACTIONS. Where does it say that one person cannot be in or lead two different factions on this RP server. Also does it matter that the base in question ran by a certain noob lolwut doesn't even care enough to respond or RP in forum/game. You two and yes I am looking at you Nom and you alternate account Trivjum (trying to hide). Which by the way we know the name you use as your main account and certain other folks know too. Rather hard to ignore that in almost all of your supposed "feedback" posts it appeared your only intent was to call the two factions out.

(And it seems there is, except it's only between two factions that are nearly one in the same)

Another big offender is how none of that script is known to anyone except the SR and Junkers Congress which might as well both be the same faction and the one getting the brunt force of it is some random guy trying to have fun.

The issue is that a RP happening between two factions that are more or less the same group of players are doing RP behind the scene and the only RP the rest of the community that don't belong to either Junkers Congress or Sirius Rogues see is the part where this random guy has to participate in the "u die now lol" part of the script.

The two parties are nearly one and the same too but under a different name and under different characters, put yourself in that groups situation for a second, wouldn't you think it is a little bit weird to have a declaration of war against yourself by the same group your faction belongs to except under a different name?

Feedback is one thing, trolling is another. An apology would be nice but of course will never be given. Still in the future I ask that you keep your feedback constructive and refrain from referring to the TWO DIFFERENT FACTIONS as the same group. This is simply untrue regardless if there are individuals choosing to be a part of both factions.

To the rest I thank you for you comments, questions and actual feedback.

Alright time to burst your bubble. The criticism I gave was not from bias.
Hard to believe? I find it hard to believe you are still using that excuse whenever you see something out of your control that you don't like.
Here is the thing, man. I ask you to please step back and do a clear reality check for how you think.

The comments were not because I hate people in the group but rather that I care for the new player making the station in what he thinks is a safe place and not knowing the situation. He is then given 8 hours which is the min before you would attack and ruin his fun. From his potential point of view you are acting like a jerk. This happens frequently.

It seems though that there is a patternthat you always reach for the way out that I have something against you. Funny price of history is that you actually do. I have rather even long ago moved on because lets face it... I dont care to be biased and "move out of my way to troll you" when I could be doing better things. This is probably the 5th time you use the whining excuse towards me and it needs to end.

Do I apologies for my critique on your actions? No. I saw my info and acted on it. I thank though your ONE member that took the time aside to let me know your side in private and I thank that you guys have even when trying to insult my honor still waited longer than 8 to do what you were going to do.

My view here is in favor of the little guy. If you dont like it then dont accept it but DO NOT again claim I am against members of your faction. Frankly I have been scared to even talk to your members in game fearing I would be reported for trolling. Lol.

Grow some backbone and look at reality and not at the fairytale you have created for yourselves. I am focused on the issue here and NOT WHO IS BEHIND THE KEYBOARD ON ANOTHER PART OF THE PLANET. I could honestly care less though I would like you to STOP with the false accusations.

Thank you.