(03-28-2018, 01:22 PM)Vitoniz30 Wrote: I strongly recommend you to stop blaming faction on his first day and review it after...let's say, 1-2 weeks of RP encounters. Talking about "memetic-faction-in-the-past" isn't a good decision and looks very prejudiced.
Gave 'em a chance and rate them after.
Since I was accused of "jumping on a hate train" for simply pointing out that meme names are against the rules and defining what memes are, I feel I have to clarify my position on this new ZA proposal, as it's in fact quite contrary to the people who actually have been posting hate against the original Zoner Alliance by calling them lolwhuts. It also seems that some people don't understand (or pretend to not understand) the reasons for the criticisms.
The Zoner Alliance was a group of relatively inexperienced players who got into conflict with "powerful forces" (faction leaders, popular members, and people who jump on every opportunity to join a mob so they can kick vulnerable players), mainly because of their lack of understanding of role play and the community's inner unwritten rules and mechanisms. It ended up with the ZA being shot, mocked, and humiliated, and certain parts of their role play like "Zoner marines" and "we're at war no RP anymore" was turned into memes. Although the Zoner Alliance was certainly wrong about a few things, I personally found the way parts of the community behaved towards them and similar groups to reflect rather poorly on the community itself.
I have no problem with Zoners being allowed to be aggressive. I'm very much for that and find that the pacifism forced on them is not only contrary to vanilla lore as well as logic, but also detrimental to game play.
I have no problem with creating more Zoner IDs that have different rights and diplomacy in different regions of space. I've also advocated that before.
I have no problem with fun in the form of having characters who behave like idiots or are trigger happy. I have a few of those myself.
The two problems I have with this is that:
1. It takes someone else's names and role play without their consent, which is a form of power-gaming (that's why I asked who was behind it)
2. It makes a mockery of someone else's role play in the form of memes (which was openly admitted by the person who named the faction), which is not only against the "no meme" rule, but is also a form of hassling of members or ex-members that is unfortunately widely practiced and accepted by parts of the community.
The lore that was posted today only strengthens this impression:
(03-29-2018, 10:41 AM)New Zoner Alliance Wrote:
The Zoners claim that around fifty thousand individual personnel, including station crew, Alliance Marine Guards, Order and Core paramilitaries, and Corsairs, became casualties of the ensuing diplomatic nightmare. This figure is certainly a result of the Zoner habit for exaggeration; the true number is likely no higher than Five Thousand, including the entire crew and civilian compliment of the Mobile Colony ship, the <ZA> Tel Aviv. Following a massive unilateral defunding regime by their backing bodies, the ZA faded into relative obscurity.
It appears popularity for the pariah movement has increased of late, in part due to the neverending Order/Zoner influence exertion attempts over Freeport 11, the threat of WMDs against civilians as issued by groups such as the commune, along with opportunistic unlawfuls such as the Unioner Reichsarbeitergesellschaft and the Liberty Separatists.
Their battle-cry resounds, till even the vacuum quakes.
"Remember the Fifty Thousand, that gave their lives for our sakes."
This is clearly "taking a piss" at a member called Tel Aviv (he renamed later to escape the hassling) and the original Zoner Alliance.
The only way I would accept this faction proposal was if you either stopped doing that, or got permission from Tel Aviv to use his name, faction name, and role play. From the look of things this is not the case, but if you answer my question of "who else is behind this", I'm willing to be corrected.
We're not trying to cast aspersion on what the old ZA did wrong, nor belittle them for it, nor emulate the mistakes they made. Rather, we're inspired by what they did right. They accidentally hit upon a winning niche, simply by being new and therefore more prone to experimentation.
They managed to create a massive amount of reactive roleplay and logging just as a result of gameplay. They accidentally hit upon a formula which sparked so many encounters as a result. Sadly, toxicity got inbibed into that through community-faction interactions.
They are still a monument in Discovery's history. What actually went down in Omicron 74, irrespective as to whatever rules were broken, made for an amazing RP story. But the crux of what they did is this:
What if some Zoners shot back after being shot? They tried it, and wonderful things happened. If anything it's not intended as a ripoff but a honorific remix. We've heavily reworked their lore whilst trying to integrate the events of the occasion.
What we're going to do boils down to this. We're going to sit in NFZs and provide escorting services to Zoners and other forces. If firing starts, we'll shoot back. We'll then see what happens.
So ... first you say that are taking fp2 by force, destroy pobs in bering and NOW ... now you are saying that are going to stay in the nfz and wait if you are fired and provide escorts?!
i don't know what happed on omicron 74, because i left before that system went down ... i was away for about 4 years ... but i do remember what happened before, from the bombings of bh and corsairs on fp11, on players that created groups just to shoot zoners, mainly corsairs, even a corsair invasion on gran canaria that pi ... made a lot poeple angry when zoners fought back in a amazing rp!!
the reason i left was because i was so tired of some "vips" on server decided what others should do and if someone toke a diferent path, immediately receive a message to stop that otherwise they would report to the admins, or even in the comm channel when i and others like me, made a rp contact we were ignored!! i ended two rp stories because of some of those "vips"! many also left because some vips could do anything they want, even if it was against the rules in the good name of that so call rp!
when zoners got fired and many said that's ok, including some "zoners", those "zoners" weren't there!! I was there ... but they weren't! most of the times was me and few more against a big armada! when we managed to fight back ... well ... all ended!! and then later they return with other faction and agains the same story! and again ... and again!!
so ,,, to end this!! if you want to, and i will quote you "We're going to sit in NFZs and provide escorting services to Zoners and other forces. If firing starts, we'll shoot back" you already can do that ... no need to create a war on bering for that! almost every day there something in delta, and not the first time i take a peak and no way i'm going there alone, when there are several big ships ready to shoot me!! why don't you and your friends come to fp11 , and create a great rp story? what about create a a good rp story protecting omega 49 from an gallia invasion for example?! you do that and many zoners will help, otherwise ... like many said ... no!
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