Err, GMG? *Smack*

[ian]

if anything the Battlestar Advanced should be replaced with the Battlestar since the Advanced is a prototype and given to 3 people whom the GMG are not wheras the non-advanced doesnt say who can or who cannot get one

"Abandoned Battlestar was found by Zoner expedition in Omicron Delta, near the place where Freeport 11 was later constructed. Zoners copied its design and built several battleships of same type. While being less powerful than Battlestar Advanced, this ship is significantly cheaper and features similar power array."

[Guyton]

Hell yea it would. Its designed for that... I mean, look at the inforcard.

We had a discussion about that yesterday, but since its here already, I'll put my points in.

Well I dont like GMG having more than one capital ship. One flagship and swarms of fighters is okay, whether its salvaged battleship or not, but its taking a bit too far. Kusari Explorer is more than enough for exploring afterall.

Your not being realistic my friend. A Kusari Exporer would not hold its against hostile enemies it is nothing more than a gunboat. This ship would not have the needed supplies to stay on a search very long. The roleplay behind Xcalibur was the exploration far into the borderworlds away from civilization in search for this "ocean world". When your exploring the galaxy there is no telling what you will run up against. Why would the GMG take such a risk? it is not the same as searching for resources which is what the Kusari Explorer is used by the guild for. I agree with the one flag with a swarm of fighters even though it only takes nothing but fighters to take down a anything.....well we fly the taiiden heavy fighters and stingers mostly. I made sure everyone knew there should be only one ship in space that is a class above a fighter even if its a Kusari Exporer. A cap wouldn't really be the best choice for patroling the mining operations and escorting.

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[Linkus]

A Kusari Exporer would not hold its against hostile enemies it is nothing more than a gunboat. This ship would not have the needed supplies to stay on a search very long.

The first part makes no sense and the second is plain wrong.
The infocard clealy states it has enough supplies for years which is very long considering Freelancers travel system.

Gunboats are more than capable of holding their own against hostile enemies. You can take down Nomad Battleships with a gunboat even and the nomad fighters drop like flies even with normal turret weaponry and if you have any missile turrets you might as well take on a fleet of them.

Why would the GMG be searching for an 'ocean world' in a Battlestar? A ship that size would not be a good ship to bring to any uncharted system mainly because of it's size. If there was this Ungodly powerful threat in that system, it would anihilate the Battlestar just as easily as a little scout. Only difference is that you lose the largest ship your faction has ever got hold of instead of losing a little scout vessel.
Not to forget such large ships produce suspicion. No one likes seeing battleship class vessels flying around their systems.

If you are searching for a mysterious planet, use a probe? Why would you risk THOUSANDS of lives in a ship you shouldn't have when you can send an unmanned probe instead?

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[Guyton]

In a roleplay world a Kusari Explorer would have the power to take down a Nomad Battleship eh? That sounds just plain stupid.....good work on thinking it out. We are talking about this ship out in space with hostiles attempting to last that long....I seriously doubt it would last. By the way the info card says the GMG uses many "Explorer type vessels" not that it exactly uses the Kusari one.

If the GMG could use probes I don't believe it would be using explorer vessels now would it? A battlestar is an ungodly power is it? We're not talking about the juggernaught here..... Indeed it is a strong vessel there is no doubt about that. There are risks when it comes to exploring there is no telling what could be in the borderworld systems. Just look what the IMG uses as a heavy exploration vessel. There are plenty of threats which would fall in with why it would be used, and it seems like I keep on repeating myself on information already covered.

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Discovery Freelancer [9.5 Years]

[Linkus]

Why would the Spatial exist if it was not capable of exploring new systems? Why would the Kusari EXPLORER exist if it was not capable of exploring new systems?

In roleplay, a Kusari explorer would stay away from as many enemies as possible, as would any type of vessel. A single Battlestar would fall to a Nomad battleship AND escort in Roleplay extremely easily.
If you intend to go into hostile space, you either go in strong with a fleet almost or you go in quiet with a single ship or a small group.
You don't bring a single battleship, oh so vulnerable to all types of enemies, into a completely hostile environment.

Why would you send a battleship to it's death instead of a single scout?

If the GMG could use probes I don't believe it would be using explorer vessels now would it?

They wouldn't use explorer vessels OR a battlestar. You stabbed yourself in the foot with that.

Constantly attacking people who are commenting on your lack of logic is not that smart either.

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[Guyton]

Why would the Spatial exist if it was not capable of exploring new systems? Why would the Kusari EXPLORER exist if it was not capable of exploring new systems?

In roleplay, a Kusari explorer would stay away from as many enemies as possible, as would any type of vessel. A single Battlestar would fall to a Nomad battleship AND escort in Roleplay extremely easily.
If you intend to go into hostile space, you either go in strong with a fleet almost or you go in quiet with a single ship or a small group.
You don't bring a single battleship, oh so vulnerable to all types of enemies, into a completely hostile environment.

Why would you send a battleship to it's death instead of a single scout?

They wouldn't use explorer vessels OR a battlestar. You stabbed yourself in the foot with that.

Constantly attacking people who are commenting on your lack of logic is not that smart either.

I never said the kusari explorer is not capable of exploring new systems so you can throw your arguement out there. I would find it difficult for a gunboat class vessel to out run a group of fighter scouts. A single battlestar would fall to a nomad battleship? You just said that a kusari explorer could take one on. How would an exploring ship know whether or not is is going into a hostile system it is UNKNOWN. You wouldn't know what your going to find not to mention if the danger is to great why would to risk an entire fleet of ships? Its not like your going to rage war. A single scout? If you haven't noticed there are nothing but scout wrecks of the GMG laying around nearly every where in the Omicrons where the Outcasts are. Why the heck would the GMG make the same stupid mistake? Your stabbing yourself in the foot with mindless thinking without making a simple thought to it. It wouldn't be very smart of you either to comment here without having a open mind to possibilities.

Edited: Hoshu Maru, exploration scout sent in Omicron Beta - Destroyed by Outcasts patrols. I will no longer respond to this thread my points have been made. By the way even though the ship is there unlike most players atleast we've constructed roleplay with it. More of story will be posted/added to background information for others to see.

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Discovery Freelancer [9.5 Years]

[ScornStar]

Why would the Spatial exist if it was not capable of exploring new systems? Why would the Kusari EXPLORER exist if it was not capable of exploring new systems?

In roleplay, a Kusari explorer would stay away from as many enemies as possible, as would any type of vessel. A single Battlestar would fall to a Nomad battleship AND escort in Roleplay extremely easily.
If you intend to go into hostile space, you either go in strong with a fleet almost or you go in quiet with a single ship or a small group.
You don't bring a single battleship, oh so vulnerable to all types of enemies, into a completely hostile environment.

Why would you send a battleship to it's death instead of a single scout?

They wouldn't use explorer vessels OR a battlestar. You stabbed yourself in the foot with that.

Constantly attacking people who are commenting on your lack of logic is not that smart either.

Just playing devils advocate. You may send a Battleship so you can launch several fighter scouts to do flying sweeps while the Battle Ship sits on just the other side of the JH. I personally do scout with capships. I also assume the cap is launching fighter patrols. Which is why I can detect enemies long before I can scan them.

But thats in my mind.

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[SimonBlack]

Heh the guy is right. Battleship attracts too many attention.

You dont send a battleship to a destination which you are not sure of. There are just too many possibilities and a battleship is not mobile enough. Short range fighters - yea, but all that was accompanying him was the Cruiser.

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[Linkus]

I never said the kusari explorer is not capable of exploring new systems so you can throw your arguement out there

This ship would not have the needed supplies to stay on a search very long.

The infocard clealy states it has enough supplies for years

would find it difficult for a gunboat class vessel to out run a group of fighter scouts.

They can. It's called cruise and countermeasures. If a gunboat can't outrun fighter scouts, what makes you think a battleship can? It would not survive as long against a proper NPC escort anyway, the gunboat can dodge fire far easier and escape.

single battlestar would fall to a nomad battleship? You just said that a kusari explorer could take one on

A single Battlestar would fall to a Nomad battleship AND escort

Note the escort part. You would be severely outgunned.

How would an exploring ship know whether or not is is going into a hostile system it is UNKNOWN. You wouldn't know what your going to find not to mention if the danger is to great why would to risk an entire fleet of ships? Its not like your going to rage war.

A ship that size would not be a good ship to bring to any uncharted system mainly because of it's size.....
If you are searching for a mysterious planet, use a probe? Why would you risk THOUSANDS of lives in a ship you shouldn't have when you can send an unmanned probe instead?

Probes do not cost at all as much as Battleships or actually end up risking lives. You would risk thousands of lives simply to fly a battleship.

If you haven't noticed there are nothing but scout wrecks of the GMG laying around nearly every where in the Omicrons where the Outcasts are. Why the heck would the GMG make the same stupid mistake?

You don't bring a single battleship, oh so vulnerable to all types of enemies, into a completely hostile environment.

Scout's are expendable. If GMG had sent Battlestars into the Outcast areas, they would end up like the now dead Rheinland Battleship. Which would you rather lose, a scout or a battleship?

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[AdamantineFist]

Linkus is quite right. A Battlestar is uneconomical and impractical. It's too big, costs too much to build and maintain, requires too big a crew, and is still not enough to stand up to a sustained assault. Plus, it's really, really obvious. A Kusari Explorer would fit the bill much nicer. Small, cheap, easy to maintain, capable of navigating asteroid fields much more easily, capable of outrunning larger foes and outgunning smaller ones. With the Battlestar, you're putting all of your eggs into one large, unwieldy basket.

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