I encountered one of your traders who needed to learn a bit about RP. Are you sure that all of your members are ready for this or reflecting the faction the way you want it to be viewed?
"THE HULL HAS BEEN BREACHED AND THESCIENCEIS LEAKING OUT!"
I had two days ago a nice RP experience with one of your traders after the two GS that were not really nice guys.
Directly from liberty emergency skype chat.
[2009-09-27 20:43:47] tiberiuswalker: Two Lolcast Gunboats near the NY Gate in California - Call in caps for all I care, they blasted a perfectly roleplayed freighter because the guy didn't have any credits...
These were Nerv and an other one I forgot. And they are the guy who asked my Rogue IFFed Pirate Transport to halt in order to pirate me. Although on that, I think it was just that they were a little bit fast on the preset messages when they saw me.
Still, not long after that I had some nice RP as my LPI with one of their traders [[ESS|SL][Convoy.012]], which we halted since he was suspected to be an ally of the ESS outcasts. Still, had some nice RP, smashed some tail light, until Nerv came probably to help him, only to get killed by a NPC Dread that achieved not to crash in 'hatten. Resulting in laugh on our side.
Let say, some of your guys are nice, some arent as much, just learn to the pirate guys that if someone say he has no money and is having no or partial cargo, leave him alone for god sakes. It just piss everyone off. Yes its RP, but fairness before everything please.
' Wrote:Captain Bison is purchasing us a 50 slot Ventrillo Server bro.:)
Waste of money.. SOB has a 50 man ventrillo & it's seldom ever used. 85% of the communications done in game that is not done on the forums is done thru Skype. It's free & also allows for voice chat if that is your goal. That & is far easier to contact other groups & factions with. Just avoid Outcast Alliance chat.. it's spam central:D
' Wrote:Waste of money.. SOB has a 50 man ventrillo & it's seldom ever used. 85% of the communications done in game that is not done on the forums is done thru Skype. It's free & also allows for voice chat if that is your goal. That & is far easier to contact other groups & factions with. Just avoid Outcast Alliance chat.. it's spam central:D
You think the OC general is bad? The order main is even worse.
Anyway....
Quote:Can I make a suggestion?
I encountered one of your traders who needed to learn a bit about RP. Are you sure that all of your members are ready for this or reflecting the faction the way you want it to be viewed?
This is an issue I have been working on, don't worry, it has our attention.
JihadJoe Wrote:Xelgion, you have done a marvelous thing. Eppy is begging for mercy, in full caps.
' Wrote:Respect is earned and those outside of our allies & friends will have to earn it. Our prey will never be shown respect, they are nothing more than a flying credit card to us. As for our enemies, they are shown the least amount of respect. They are nothing more than a nuisance to us, to be cleansed.
-2
' Wrote:I would have to say no. I would like to see Liberty Navy utterly decimated.
-1
' Wrote:ESS is comin to town Sead. You better Go Get Your Gunn and have a freighter on standby with ammo if you last that long. I'm makin' a list, and checkin' it twice. Gonna find out who's gettin' the business end of my scythe.
-1
' Wrote:I concur with the Outcast Commonwealth's new directive of having a Destroyer with escorts to fly with a medium to large sized convoy for Cardimine shipments. I think it is an excellent outlet for role play that has the possibility of involving a large group of factions in it on their travels. From Omicron Alpha all the way for the path to liberty for sale and back again. So many lawful factions would have the chance to interact with the group and so many different ways to go about confronting such a assemblage of vessels. From cops and navy trying to take them down to the average trader wetting his pants as they pass by and everything in between.
+5
' Wrote:And affirmative on the every now and again event of an organized fleet into surrounding systems of new york. That is more of what we had in mind. We know full well that if we come down everyday with about 1 dreadnought, 2 dessies, 4 gunships, and 12 fighters that people will start to moan and cry and really it shouldn't be an everyday occurrence. There is more to do on the server.
+1
' Wrote:But from time to time we would like to have a vulgar display of power and punch LN in the nose or whoever would come to meet us. Besides, a fleet is harder to move around, especially in secret, than a couple of organized fighter wings raising hell.
-1 in NY, +2 if in any other Liberty system
' Wrote:I figured against having separate tags for Fighters/Bombers because one I couldn't decide to go... LF, HF, VHF, B; or to go... F, B.. And then it just seemed rediculous to me so I simply decided against having ship tags for anything smaller than a capital ship or specialized ship in our fleet such as an Armory, Bank, or Convoy. We already have Agent Tags, Shadow Legion Tags, and Recruit Tags, so it's getting a little crazy for adding 2-5 more tags to the naming convention.
+1
And +1 for making it outcast: is it just me or are the 'sairs breeding like rabbits? Peeps, stop feeding 'em!
Total: depends on NY[+3]/Other system [+6](Ontario, doooo eeeet)
Either way, i approve, cos lots of small clans is more enriching an environment that a few mega-clans. However, a few caveats:
O/c convoys? win. o/c convoys with o/c fighter/bomber escorts? moar win. o/c convoy with dessie escort? as an event - win. as a regular trade run? not so win: it would look like invasion/diaspora. or maybe a package holiday to Pennsylvania? I hear that the nightlife on Erie has loads of well-lit establishments.
I apologize to anyone who has had a bad experience with us RP-Wise thus far. I know I make it a personal habit to role play with any ships that are around me as much as I can.
As for the trader who got blown away for not having enough credits, or any credits he could spare.. He could have offered up some of his cargo, maybe bots/bats to the pirates so they wouldn't have had to fly so far away to a friendly unlawful base to restock, anything. If you were truly in a life or death situation with someone holding a gun to your head would you simply say ''Hey man, I don't have it..'' or would you start emptying out your pockets to save your life? If I was that trader knowing full well I had no money for them, I would have started bargaining my butt off for my life unless I felt I could have defeated them. But that is me. So it could have been a lack of role play that forced that situation. Remember role play is built by all parties involved so don't expect a pirate to sit there and start going down a list of things every time you get stopped. -You- are the one who is spooked and caught, not him. Make a deal with the devil and try to save your own life.
I know not all of our members are deeply into role play and we have been working on this and trying to stress this. Sometimes we do not even speak to people in open comms because we are trying to get to a certain location and then role play. It is a bit much to have to stop for every hostile on the way to liberty to give a show cause of role play or where ever else you are going and sometimes we are very busy talking in group. We do try to role play as much as possible though which is not as much as I can say for other groups -
LN - Leave or die, then they either never come and find you or they show up in a battleship over two or three fighters.
Rheinland Groups - I passed by with our CLAN ARMORY. Unchallenged, full outcast reputation flashing, 10 or so Rheinlanders just sitting there. I even spoke in system chat several times entering the system and going through. Completely unchallenged using the trade lanes. I was not even acknowledged. You would have thought an enemy armory on it's way to a destination would be about the highest value target of a faction.
I could go on with my examples of deficient role play. I'm sure there are reasons here and there, some may be excuses. Some people are busy in group or already have things on their plate they are trying to accomplish, just like us at some points.
We are working on some of our members role play though, and at times we are not fully involved in the server's role play as we are trying to establish ourselves. This takes time with members. Talking to them. Delegating tasks. Advising them on what equipment they need and all sorts of things. When we are a little more established, we will be full on with our role play and a lot less distracted by trivial things of getting our group in order. The already established groups, it's just another day for them. Everything is in order, things are where they need to be, taking on that one new recruit isn't as difficult for them or nearly a strain on their resources, and really it's just routine for them.
I have brought my clan back from the dead from 1 year ago when I had to leave for the Army and accomplished so much in simply 3 weeks, if that. So rest assured, the ESS will be better by leaps and bounds in our role play stature once we have had a little more time and are a little more settled. By the time we submit an official faction request - We will be ready and not a moment sooner.
"Abstinence of the Heart; Sever Your Emotion Like A Defective Circuit..."
' Wrote:LN - Leave or die, then they either never come and find you or they show up in a battleship over two or three fighters.
Take in note that if the ship is not [LN]LNS-Nameofship, its not official LN ships.
And if you didnt knew, Liberty is one of the popular choices of these capwhores who just want to pewpew stuff.
Quote:Rheinland Groups - I passed by with our CLAN ARMORY. Unchallenged, full outcast reputation flashing, 10 or so Rheinlanders just sitting there. I even spoke in system chat several times entering the system and going through. Completely unchallenged using the trade lanes. I was not even acknowledged. You would have thought an enemy armory on it's way to a destination would be about the highest value target of a faction.
This here is not "deficient role-play my friend, its what we call fairness.
Quote:As for the trader who got blown away for not having enough credits, or any credits he could spare.. He could have offered up some of his cargo, maybe bots/bats to the pirates so they wouldn't have had to fly so far away to a friendly unlawful base to restock, anything. If you were truly in a life or death situation with someone holding a gun to your head would you simply say ''Hey man, I don't have it..'' or would you start emptying out your pockets to save your life? If I was that trader knowing full well I had no money for them, I would have started bargaining my butt off for my life unless I felt I could have defeated them. But that is me. So it could have been a lack of role play that forced that situation. Remember role play is built by all parties involved so don't expect a pirate to sit there and start going down a list of things every time you get stopped. -You- are the one who is spooked and caught, not him. Make a deal with the devil and try to save your own life.
Still, I know all the stuff about RP, still, fairness is sometimes above everything.
RP would say that instead of standing there and watching, a 3rd ship that come and see you getting shot at by two other ships should engage you, so you are killed fast. Since it would be better RP to have more chances to kill you and less chances the lawfuls get killed. Would it piss you off? Probably yes. Why? Because its unfair, its the same thing in this situation.
I don't care if the lawfuls gang up on me. I like a challenge. Fairness is what gets people squabbling over silly things. I'm against things like Dock Rape and Capwhoring but when it comes to a battlefield, take the shots as they come my friend. The battlefield is not always fair. Sometimes you have the advantage, and sometimes you do not. I wouldn't whine and complain if LN came after me alone with four fighters. I would duke it out with them. I'm sorry if other people don't have the heart to do it or give up and go home because they are either scared or sure they would not win. The point is to give things a try. -Nothing- beats a try except failure.
I'm for realism, not fairness. I don't think anyone thought it was fair when Germany conquered a lot of Europe and murdered thousands if not millions of innocent lives. I don't think anyone would think it was fair how Rome treated outsiders they conquered. And I don't think anyone would agree that the way Rodney King got the crap beat out of him on the pavement by a gang of cops. Any of that fair? No. It's life though. Life isn't always fair. And neither is what happens in games either.
If fairness was that big a thing on here, there would be a rule about fights. And people would be sanctioned daily for breaking that rule. I see 2 on 1 fights a lot. And this is an extremely rule happy place. If you don't like there isn't a rule, take it up with the Admins and get one made.
I come here to play, to have fun with my free time. If that trader doesn't like being a target, maybe he shouldn't play a moving target. If fairness is that big a deal, log right now and don't come back. No game will ever be completely fair, and neither will life. You have to learn to deal with it, to build a thicker skin, and take the shots as they come like I do.
The very point of Role Playing is to play your role and do what your character would do. To play a life other than the one you currently live or could not live. To have that fantasy and to have fun with it. If you found no enjoyment in your Role Play or your Fantasy, you would not bother with it. Because you are even here shows me you have enjoyment in whatever it is that you do here in a fantasy community of Role Playing.
If everyone took the time to consider what is fair in the heat of the moment, this would be a pretty bland place. Nothing that interesting would go on and really people might not bother with this place.
In the interest of Role Playing I do what I believe my character should do. I make my character do it. As a typist or player I have the best idea of what I want my character to do, say, think, act, or feel. I happen to play an unlawful character. A Pirate. A Smuggler. A Thief. A Murderer. My friend who murdered that trader, was simply portraying a criminal who was doing what comes naturally to him. He murdered him because he didn't have funds and didn't offer anything else of value, even though he could have. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen in real life on TV where they are showing -real- video where robbers murder their victims after getting what they wanted, or because they didn't have what they wanted, ----or---- because they wouldn't comply with their demands. Now if you think killing him was unfair, what if we -really- took our role seriously and murdered him after he gave us what we wanted?
But we don't kill people who make us happy and give us our credits when we pirate them, or something else of value. So you see, there -is- fairness left with us at some point.
"Abstinence of the Heart; Sever Your Emotion Like A Defective Circuit..."
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