(05-10-2025, 11:52 PM)L1ght Wrote: Telling one side to move while another continues engaging, giving infinite respawns instead of literally pming people to switch, but hey I guess us pvpers leaving after we noticed that the fight is being micro managed instead of letting it evolve organically gave Barrier the BAF win that he wanted ( which he could've just gotten either way if he pmed us but you know). As I said if you're going to micro manage a fight to sway the snowball to the other side, simply state it so we don't waste time logging in. I'd rather play minecraft than engage in predetermined pvp fights and I already know I'm not the only one feeling that way.
This just goes to show that no matter how much objective consideration or critical thinking you are doing, when you're on the losing side of a fight, your opinion becomes unreasonably biased. Remember, I respawned anyone currently dead on the Molly side before the last engage. The last engage then turned out to be a snowball where the smaller side won - it happens. But from this sequence of events, you instead take the unshakable conviction that the whole point was to rig the situation in the BAF side's favor. Ok.
If you aren't interested in being convinced by hard data, I have no other way of supporting my argument. So I suppose you can do what you will, since clearly anything I say about the matter is irrelevant. That goes for anyone else who clings to this opinion after the above summary. I try my best to explain why I did what I did, but if you won't listen, there isn't much I can do here. I'll just continue ensuring events have as many players on each side as possible.
(05-10-2025, 11:52 PM)L1ght Wrote: Telling one side to move while another continues engaging, giving infinite respawns instead of literally pming people to switch, but hey I guess us pvpers leaving after we noticed that the fight is being micro managed instead of letting it evolve organically gave Barrier the BAF win that he wanted ( which he could've just gotten either way if he pmed us but you know). As I said if you're going to micro manage a fight to sway the snowball to the other side, simply state it so we don't waste time logging in. I'd rather play minecraft than engage in predetermined pvp fights and I already know I'm not the only one feeling that way.
There were literally people on BAF side who once realised they couldn't take a BS or BC decided to switch to join Molly side. During this entire thing people were asked to consider balancing the numbers, but it comes to a point where if you are actually leaving a significantly smaller side to join the bigger one or even just logging into the big one to begin with, you should be perhaps thinking about that by yourself.
If people are not willing to do this, then what other options are there? If Barrier had not tried to do some things here the fight was over at the start and everyone would've left to not come back. This comes in the wake of the upset about BAF not even logging in for previous days, and the desire was to obliterate the force that made the effort and be upset because some attempts at balancing was made?
Whilst we've seen in the past where intervention has not gone well and produced mixed results, it was necessary here so that the BAF side could at least have some kind of enjoyment. People were on the brink of logging off. I generally enjoy playing snubs in this game over caps. You can't tell me that walking into this on a fighter with standard respawns is something I should keep logging into and enjoy:
Barrier making this decision was the correct call. This fight was far from perfect but decisions were made for the purpose of people being able to enjoy themselves in at least some capacity. It seems very unfair to expect the BAF side to lie down and get rolled. There have been events in the far past where none of this support has been given and the outcome in terms of the community's health has been far worse - I am speaking from direct experience (iykyk).
If the Molly/Coalition side is upset that efforts were made to ensure the BAF side could have fun... I don't really know what to say. It seemed clear that very little concessions were made by the Molly/Coalition side to balance the fight. At that point, Staff intervention becomes necessary.
(05-10-2025, 11:58 PM)Culbrelai Wrote: I did not know fleeing was against the event rules as I saw half a dozen snubs also do it because Somerset had no regens to restock with. Additionally, this was when infinite respawns was active, so I felt it made no functional difference at the time.
The problem with what you did isn't precisely that you ran, but that you made an off-hand comment about denying points for your kill. It is irrelevant if the kill would have occurred or not. This to me shows your intent to retreat BECAUSE you wanted to deny someone a single point for your death, which I think most will agree is a dick move, considering you can then respawn immediately.
The rule in this case is 1.0, which isn't specific to any event.
(05-10-2025, 11:58 PM)Culbrelai Wrote: I did not know fleeing was against the event rules as I saw half a dozen snubs also do it because Somerset had no regens to restock with. Additionally, this was when infinite respawns was active, so I felt it made no functional difference at the time.
The problem with what you did isn't precisely that you ran, but that you made an off-hand comment about denying points for your kill. It is irrelevant if the kill would have occurred or not. This to me shows your intent to retreat BECAUSE you wanted to deny someone a single point for your death, which I think most will agree is a dick move, considering you can then respawn immediately.
The rule in this case is 1.0, which isn't specific to any event.
Okay, but wether or not I was being ironically flippant to a friend (Hope) does not detract from the fact that a half dozen other people were also fleeing and thereby denying points to restock in new london because Somerset was broken. Even if they may not have said it out loud, the effect was the same.
(05-10-2025, 11:52 PM)L1ght Wrote: Telling one side to move while another continues engaging, giving infinite respawns instead of literally pming people to switch, but hey I guess us pvpers leaving after we noticed that the fight is being micro managed instead of letting it evolve organically gave Barrier the BAF win that he wanted ( which he could've just gotten either way if he pmed us but you know). As I said if you're going to micro manage a fight to sway the snowball to the other side, simply state it so we don't waste time logging in. I'd rather play minecraft than engage in predetermined pvp fights and I already know I'm not the only one feeling that way.
This just goes to show that no matter how much objective consideration or critical thinking you are doing, when you're on the losing side of a fight, your opinion becomes unreasonably biased. Remember, I respawned anyone currently dead on the Molly side before the last engage. The last engage then turned out to be a snowball where the smaller side won - it happens. But from this sequence of events, you instead take the unshakable conviction that the whole point was to rig the situation in the BAF side's favor. Ok.
If you aren't interested in being convinced by hard data, I have no other way of supporting my argument. So I suppose you can do what you will, since clearly anything I say about the matter is irrelevant. That goes for anyone else who clings to this opinion after the above summary. I try my best to explain why I did what I did, but if you won't listen, there isn't much I can do here. I'll just continue ensuring events have as many players on each side as possible.
I left while Mollys were winning chief so your bias accusations are completely irrelevant, I have limited free time and I'd rather not waste it on predetermined pvp outcomes so next time just state it in the event thread.
(05-11-2025, 12:09 AM)L1ght Wrote: I have limited free time and I'd rather not waste it on predetermined pvp outcomes so next time just state it in the event thread.
The comedy here is that you say it as if facing 50% higher numbers wasn't predetermined. BAF got destroyed before the respawns came in due to the numbers.
(05-11-2025, 12:09 AM)L1ght Wrote: I left while Mollys were winning chief so your bias accusations are completely irrelevant, I have limited free time and I'd rather not waste it on predetermined pvp outcomes so next time just state it in the event thread.
Okay, thanks for clarifying. That you reached this conclusion without being a bit heated/biased is even worse. As you know well, many of the story event beats are pre-determined. But the individual fights during the event are not. If one side is curbstomping the other, and I manage to restore some semblance of balance, and this side then loses, does not mean I made them lose. That you think I have the power to rig individual fights towards a certain outcome starting from relatively even sides is amusing. Because even sides before big fights is the most I can hope for during events.
(05-10-2025, 11:52 PM)L1ght Wrote: I have limited free time and I'd rather not waste it on predetermined pvp outcomes so next time just state it in the event thread.
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