Rescaling the Kusari Destroyer

[tansytansey]

Lost my head last night, having to repeat myself over and over again for people too lazy to read the thread. Apologies for that.

And before you go crazy Ashes, I'm not addressing that statement towards you.

You're posting in my discussion thread.

Any gunboat in a group fight with more than 3 ships is dead, ANY.

Wrong. Me, Tycho, Eva fought and won vs 7-8 RM fighters/bombers with 2 Gunboats and a Destroyer.

Me and Ench won vs 5~ fighters, 2 Orca, a LN Gunboat, a bottlenose and to top it off a Battlecruiser came along when everything else was dead, and we killed that too, all with two Gunboats and a Barghest who came to help us.

Three ships once came to kill me near Alcatraz, a Gunboat, a Bomber and a Fighter. I killed the Gunboat and the Bomber and the fighter flew away.

Seriously, is this so hard to understand.
It is a small Cruiser.
Others are big cruisers.

What you fail to understand is that the Kusari Destroyer can still be a small Cruiser without being half the size of every other Cruiser in the game. So explain to me again why it needs to be the size of a Gunboat.

All I gleaned from rereading your responses on this thread is that you keep repeating the 'Why not' question. :|

Because everyone thus far has failed to come up with an answer. Instead they try to pass off my difficult question by asking more, irrelevant questions which have already been asked.

So go on, give it a go. Tell me why the Kusari Dessie needs to be the size of a Gunboat. Bet you can't.

I say this issue is most common with the Gunboat, which truly is the size of a heavy bomber, with the stats of an average gunboat and not say, the BHG gunship, along with a forward gun. These two cases of ships basically acting like a ship twice their size can indeed feel weird to many people. They have indeed, as I've said, been mostly given a run over in terms of balance, it doesn't totally remove the inherent issue with being so unaturally small, an issue which I've found is most visable in group fights and attempts at evasion. These are my personal observations with a long history of dealing with these ships and having amicable relationships with those that use them.

While being small, the Kusari Gunboat is still bigger than every bomber. I was going to make a post about it as well, but comparing it's size with Bombers in HardCMP shows it doesn't really need to. It's got a relatively small front profile, yes, but it's very long, far longer than any bomber.

Bah, you were saying it's not overpowered, but you are saying it.

Not my problem if you're misinterpreting what I say. I believe the Kusari Dessie is balanced, but it breaks the balance of all the ships that surround it. Everyone is whining, saying the Kusari Dessie is not unbalanced or overpowered, and I tend to agree. But it makes other ships it fights underpowered, like the Dragon Cruiser and Bretonian Gunboat.

Meh. Just give it a bit less armor and fire power. Kusari one is smaller and moves faster, Bretonian one has more armor and fire power.

Kusarian could be a "light cruiser".
End of Story.

Once again, the Kusari Destroyer is balanced. Simply offering a 'quick fix' in the form of a nerf will not change anything. I'm not trying to make the Kusari Dessie weaker, just bigger.

Furthermore, last i heard, Kusari was getting a Battlecruiser in .86, so they would have the 'heavy cruiser firepower' issue sorted, while still having a small and agile light destroyer.

A light Cruiser does not have to be the size of a Gunboat. Thresher is x1.6 the size of a Kusari Dessie, and it's still a Light Cruiser. LSC is roughly twice the size of a Kusari Dessie, and is still a light Cruiser. It will still be a Light Cruiser regardless of how much bigger we make it.

Why are we having this discussion?

'Cause no one can give me a valid reason to have this thread locked.

Tell me why the Kusari Destroyer needs to be the size of a Gunboat and I'll ask a mod to lock it.

No one is ignoring what Ashes has said. Her points have all been addressed.

No, everyone has been conveniently dodging around my points and presenting completely irrelevant arguments.

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[casero]

Well Ashes, I don't know why it has to be the size of a gunboat.

But, I don't believe it has to be re sized for not being what for you is a fair size.

And if you start asking things, then ask, why the sabre has 7 guns? Why Disinfectors are not as good as krakens, why just RM and LN has 2.00 guns? Why the corsairs and the council are the only ones who have shield busters than match their other gun's speed? Why the paladin is a good ship? Why the gladiator? Why the Orca? Why the Zoner BS? Why the liberator is so small? why the Katana is one of the best fighters (no one complains about it though)? Why the RM cruiser is so powerful?

Because not all the factions get the same technology.

But you are not looking for an answer, because you already knew it, it's small because Kusari builds small ships.
What you are looking for is everyone agreeing with you and saying "Yes, it's too small, re size".

[tansytansey]

Zeltek, remove yourself from this thread. You are not offering anything constructive.

@casero; my answers are in my previous posts. The Kusari Destroyer does not need to be half the size of every other Crusier to be unique.

Unless you can state why it has to remain that size in order to remain unique, please tell me.

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[casero]

Because Kusari built it like that, it's the characteristic of the kusari destroyer, it's small and agile.
But why has it to change if it's not overpowered?

[pipboy]

All around the mulberry bush
This thread is going in circles.
The monkey thought 'twas all in fun.
Pop! goes the weasel... err thread...

no, accoridng to you, who draw asuch a nie ego line about me, im too much ego as u say, so i write here.

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hey, spell my name correctly please ,

its charateristic to stay same siz,e u just want change cus it will look "nicer" , we say it stay same cus of balance, which one is mort important, ur little ashtetics whine or balance??? its easy to decide

Zeltak, I'm sorry. From what I'm seeing you can't say anything to anyone about spelling mistakes.

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[tansytansey]

Because Kusari built it like that, it's the characteristic of the kusari destroyer, it's small and agile.
But why has it to change if it's not overpowered?

It'll still be small and agile with the change. So, what's the problem? I believe it needs to be changed because it's of an illogical size. There's no reason it needs to be the size of a Gunboat at all.

Making it bigger will allow the balance team a little more room to buff the Dessie up, give it better turret arcs, more armour etc.

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[Bear]

Plus one posts removed. The developer forum is not a place for a plus one. Do not do this again.

Bear

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[casero]

I'm asking the same to you, what's the problem? It's the size of a large gunboat, have you seen the gladiator? Have you seen the scimitar? Gladiator is as big as VHFs, let's get the VHFs bigger. It's different, accept it, or we should start re designing every ship in game, to match it for everyone's sense of logic. What can be illogical for you, it's not for others.

Making it bigger will allow the balance team a little more room to buff the Dessie up, give it better turret arcs, more armour etc.

Buff it up? It's balanced, while it only fire forwards, it fulfits its purposed, solo'ing gunboats and smaller crafts. But against multiple targets (if they do things well) it's not the big menace everyone say it is.

[Bobthemanofsteel]

Also, while we're at it, alot of GBs have teeny windows like they were designed to be caps.
Are we gonna change them too?

[tansytansey]

I'm not concerened about the size of any other ships at this point. If you're concerned about the size of another ship, make a suggestion yourself to correct it.

Once again, doesn't need to be the size of a Gunboat to do it's job.

@BOB: see Bears post.

No one seems to have anything new to bring to the table, no one's conjured up a compelling reason why the Destroyer should remain it's current size other than 'it's unique!' and 'It's Vanilla!' which is quite honestly bull****.

At this point, the thread has served it's purpose. I'll be submitting an upscaled Destroyer for 4.86 and we'll see where it goes from there.

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.