Regarding the restriction on Liberty caps

[Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever]

I fully support indies, (Independent Rhienland Battleship, So yes, I have one.) And I also fully support this.

Too many capwhores in liberty... I hardly EVER see any in bretonia... I never see anything bigger than a gunboat there... Same with kusari and rhienland, Hispania also has cap spam.

[Jihadjoe]

Seems it has reached closure then. My closing arguements:

1. if you wanted to make liberty a better place you would have tried harder already.
2. It will end badly, as predicted by many.

In answer to your questions jpo.

1. I wasn't, until recently, that involved in the LN admiralty. I recieved a lot of pressure to make this happen and I'm now trying my damnedest to make liberty a better place

2. Only time will tell. If it does then I'm willing to accept I was wrong, I will revoke it and find another way.

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[Orin]

if you wanted to make liberty a better place you would have tried harder already.

That's pretty rude, bud. If you haven't personally been involved in an effort like this, making statements like this is completely out of line. You're telling them that they aren't trying to do anything but hurt the indies here? Do you really think they are that devoid of compassion? It's been stated time and time again that this is an attempt to make Liberty funner for everyone. Whether it will work or not is yet to be seen, but were they lying when they said this? They've even adopted a very lenient system to allow indy ships to operate, with relatively lax policies as has been seen thus far. You continue to accuse them like this? Very rude.

And read this.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...c=23950&hl=

There's been attempts already to fix things, and clear warning as to what would happen otherwise. It didn't work, clearly, and now that what has been said would happen all along is at hand. Maybe there could have been more effort on the indies' part? What I see here is leniency and consideration on one sides' part, and complaining and disrespect on the others'.

Oh well, it's all said and done, I just wish everyone could be more understanding. It's pretty rediculous.

[jpo]

I'm telling you what I've already told you in my other posts, they werent enforcing the rules propperly to begin with, and most werent even trying.

Yeah sure its rude. You get pissed when I question anyones RP even when its bad. Thats rude also. If the LN is breaking and bending the rules to begin with to ask the indies not to is out of the question. I asked for closure, Joe made his peace, I made my peace, let it die.

[Vape]

wow you people are pathetic and as i no longer play here, i can say whatever i want about it within the forum rules.


Your acting like frakking dictators just because you people lead some god forsaken faction called the Liberty Navy doesnt give you the right to play god and prevent indies from RPing.


and its also because i have a personal problem with restricting of caps by house factions, but thats just me

and i really dont give a damn if you people flame me, this is my opinion and im going to stand by it

*fades into shadows*
/rant end

EDIT: forgot to add something

i dont care who you are even if you are god himself if i want to buy a cap, ill buy one and by god, ill RP it
no one restricts me except the rules
/end second rant

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[n00bl3t]

I think that all cap ships should require a go ahead from the appropiate faction before buying one.
Why? because they dont sell em on the open market like smaller ships, they build them for a specific purpose.

*Facepalm.*

I'm waiting on you to tell me why such a considerate system as they are using now is so bad. What you seemingly want in akin to allowing gun ownership to anyone. "Well, he can't see to well in one eye, and he shoots squirrels off the street in front of his house, but who are we to tell him he can't have a gun?"

Joe is being very open and kind about this. Can you show a little class and not completely troll this topic with your depressing "Here come the indy restrictions. *Sigh.*"?

Considerate system? Contact one of the HC to find out whether they put you on a list. No guaranteed turn-around time listed. Nothing stopping them from being bias. (Affecting all, even those who have role-played with them in the past, have a good RP and even have written something on the forum just to explain the vessel better.)

Considerate? I come onto the forums after a holiday and find out the Nebraska is now mysteriously grounded.

I do not find it depressing. Do you? Regardless, it is a restriction is it not? Furthermore, it is only against independents is it not? Then how is it not an "indy restriction", as you put it? I have only stated that truth.

Now, your ridiculous example. Is it meant to make all independent capital ship owners look like they want to shoot everything in sight? Or perhaps, make it look like they all suffer from some sort of impediment? Seriously, gun ownership is different from the right to fly pixels in a computer game. (Especially, if you are already following server rules.)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[MB52]

Well, just to point it out, while I don't disagree with this move, I also don't agree with it enough to help enforce it.

Meaning if the LN order me to "attack and destroy" an Indie I wont do it unless they fire on me first. I'll likely show up to the area and try and help defuse the situation so a non-violent solution can be found, but otherwise I dont want to get involved in this potential Civil war.

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To the grave if I must
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And a flag that I trust

[Vape]

Well, just to point it out, while I don't disagree with this move, I also don't agree with it enough to help enforce it.

Meaning if the LN order me to "attack and destroy" an Indie I wont do it unless they fire on me first. I'll likely show up to the area and try and help defuse the situation so a non-violent solution can be found, but otherwise I dont want to get involved in this potential Civil war.

there already was a civil war

the SA takeover anyone?

EDIT: ok im going to stop now because i REALLY dont want to start a flame war

but its my opinion and I WILL STANDBY IT

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[Darkard]

Alot of people here are complaining that they are getting grounded and that its Indy Stomping.
But look at what they are doing.

If you are a good RP'er and dont abuse your right to fly a Cap Ship then you can get yourself checked by one of the Navy and added to thier accepted list.
Then your still an Indy, your not being forced to have the LN tag or anything.

What this will remove is Idependant Cruisers and the like, that zip about Liberty saying "Engaging" and then letting loose on some gunboat or fighter, somtimes they dont even give the warning and just cruise up to you and dust you with the forward gun. Cap Ships stilling outside Rochester to catch people. All that sort of crap will be gone, or very limited.

If your in a Cap Ship facing off agiainst a Bomber for example. you dont need to rush in for the kill. hes not going to One-Shot-Kill you so play it out a bit "Your actions will not be tolorated", "Your crimes are as follows" anything like that.

IF YOU ARE A GOOD RP'ER THAN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT FROM THIS SHAKE UP.
You might be grounded for a bit until your given the all clear to fly, but surely your Cap Ship is not the only char you have? Fly a fighter under the comanders name and RP that you are co-operating with the Navy and are awaiting clearance. Hell! Fly escort to the Navy Vessels and help them out in this task of clean up, that can only improve your chances of getting given clearance surely?

People are throwing big fits of rage over this, and I cant see what the problem is.

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[n00bl3t]

Alot of people here are complaining that they are getting grounded and that its Indy Stomping.
But look at what they are doing.

If you are a good RP'er and dont abuse your right to fly a Cap Ship then you can get yourself checked by one of the Navy and added to thier accepted list.
Then your still an Indy, your not being forced to have the LN tag or anything.

What this will remove is Idependant Cruisers and the like, that zip about Liberty saying "Engaging" and then letting loose on some gunboat or fighter, somtimes they dont even give the warning and just cruise up to you and dust you with the forward gun. Cap Ships stilling outside Rochester to catch people. All that sort of crap will be gone, or very limited.

If your in a Cap Ship facing off agiainst a Bomber for example. you dont need to rush in for the kill. hes not going to One-Shot-Kill you so play it out a bit "Your actions will not be tolorated", "Your crimes are as follows" anything like that.

IF YOU ARE A GOOD RP'ER THAN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT FROM THIS SHAKE UP.
You might be grounded for a bit until your given the all clear to fly, but surely your Cap Ship is not the only char you have? Fly a fighter under the comanders name and RP that you are co-operating with the Navy and are awaiting clearance. Hell! Fly escort to the Navy Vessels and help them out in this task of clean up, that can only improve your chances of getting given clearance surely?

People are throwing big fits of rage over this, and I cant see what the problem is.

The server rules filter out OoRP/bad role-players. (Hence, no need for this.)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.