Sanction

[Niezck]

OK, so how about we sum up what you've said here?

Sanctions are bad.
I'm a whiney little ass.
Sanctions are bad.
New admins are bad.
I'm a whiney little ass.
Admins are bad for doing their job.
I hate admins.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that Igiss would be on my "side", rather than going with the rules HE MADE enforced by the people HE CHOSE. Yeeeeeeeeeah.

All those in favour of a good ol' pit roast?

[Agmen of Eladesor]

May I suggest this be locked before anything bad comes out of it?

Also, Agmen, some of the info on that Order quote are actually new to me and some of it doesn't seem very believable, atleast the very beginning and very end, where did you get that from, the wiki I guess? Wiki is changeable by anyone so maybe someone was screwing around with it, but if this gets locked before you post, could you pm me the source? thanks.

The information is from multiple pages on the Wiki. It's been up there in that form for a long time, too.

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Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.

[ryoken]

Yes lock this thread. I do not agree with my sanction,but i do beleive the admin's all look at them and vote. I think the staff is doing a good job. I was an admin on a server,and it is a very hard,and thankless job. Please do not knock the staff when you disagree with something, it just raises everyone's anger level.

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[Spear]

Easy to take a pop at ppl who give up their game time to try and maintain order and balance on the server. Glad I'm not an Admin to be honest.

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=LSF=

[ryoken]

Easy to take a pop at ppl who give up their game time to try and maintain order and balance on the server. Glad I'm not an Admin to be honest.

/signed

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[farmerman]

As a random thought, if all sanction threads were posted by a single Sanctioning Admin type account, any accusations of and/or overt appearance of bias would be reduced, right?

Though I must say, it does seem better to deal with things in-rp. Not agreeing or disagreeing with anything in particular, just saying.

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Faction info links: Samura Heavy Industries : LWB : Watchers

[Tenacity]

I wasnt even involved in the recent sanctions, hell I havent been sanctioned in months, and I only have one on my record. That isnt the point - what pisses me off is that the admins are going against what THEY have said, and that behavior is cutting off a great deal of potential from the server.

The only argument used by the admins for the recent order sanction was "they werent following canon RP". How many factions in the mod still actually follow canon RP as strictly as the admins seem to expect them to? None. Zip. Zilch.


The incident was this:
-Order pilots had a problem with one order player who is constantly out of character, uses a ship he shouldnt have access to, and is really nothing more than a pvp whore.
-After asking him to explain himself on the forums, IN AN RP POST even, that player responded with nothing but more ooc excuses.
-Taking matters into their own hands, IN RP, order pilots attacked and destroyed this vessel who was causing issues for the rest of us.

Because of that, those order pilots were sanctioned, because the guy in question decided to be a whiny little brat when he couldnt handle admitting he was wrong in the first place.

Now, how many times has this happened with other factions? RM constantly destroys indy RM players for using their capships or equipment. The LN and LSF fire on their own vessels for no reason other than "lol, z21!"

This **** happens day in and and out with every other faction in the game, and you dont see them getting sanctioned for it, but one incident in the order and the admins jump all over the chance to hit us with the banhammer.

I am not defending Deisol's actions or what he said on the matter, because frankly his attitude is not befitting that of an order player - he was rude, insulted people, and all around deserved the sanctions he got afterwards. What I am challenging here is the admins decision to basically screw over any player who has an in-RP problem with another player of their faction by sanctioning them.

Simply put, they've crapped all over months of order RP by letting that little THC twit get away with this, and punishing the wrong side to begin with.




EDIT:

To respond to the recent replies about admins being 'targeted' - the only reason I called out xoria and del is because both of them are defending the behavior above, while few of the other admins have ever had a problem with non-canon RP or players enforcing RP rules on their own affiliation.

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[Orin]

Tenacity, you just can't kill affiliated indies if they don't follow what a faction decided they would follow.

Say I made a Molly faction, then said "The Corsairs are our enemy, but we've bigger issues with Bretonia right now. We're going to agree to a cease-fire with the Corsairs."

You know what? That's totally acceptable RP. But, that doesn't mean we can kill any indy Molly who is still following the original hardcoded RP by fighting Corsairs. They can follow our mandates, sure, that's great, and it's good communication and cooperation, but we cannot force them to do so.

I know the Bluntage issue is more complicated than that, I read the whole thing, but that's what it comes down to in the end, and it's unacceptable to kill him for not following Bs RP. He isn't Bs.

[Tenacity]

it wasnt bs rp, it WAS canon.

There are zero order ships in new york - the only place you'll find them in liberty is in alaska. The only situations we ever see order npcs further into liberty is in the attack during sp, where they took out the donau to kill the infected chancellor. They did that with stealth, a few fighters(/bombers), and it was an in and out job.

Did THC RP stealth at all when he went into NY? No, he camped over fort bush/manhattan and blasted everything in his way.
Did he fly a fighter or small ship into NY in order to get around more easily? No, he used a freakin battleship.
Did he take out specific, infected pilots or officers? No, he shot everyone and everything that came near him, liberty and civilian alike.

The excuse the admins are using for this sanction is that we were OORP because we were forcing "non-canon" rp on an independent player - that is not the case, though. They were enforcing canon order behavior, and trying to deal with someone who doesnt know the slightest bit about order RP.

like I said in the other thread, THC uses the Order tag/ID for one reason: So he can fly big ships and shoot liberty pilots. That is not reason enough for him to be a part of the faction - if he wont get his act in line, he needs to be taken care of, and when the admins wont do it and order players try to, they get punished for it.

Nothing they do is making sense right now.

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[AdamantineFist]

Tenacity, I respectfully ask you to shut it. Don't go off making undeserved personal attacks like that. You should know full well that, as Del said, it's a consensus decision. You don't actually know what sort of discussion went on between the admins, you don't know who actually endorses what position, and you don't know all of what was submitted in the sanction report. Please don't make accusations like that until you actually know what's going on.

I am offended by this, severely so. Thank you. You've become one more reason that I'm thinking of quitting.

:(I'm really sad to hear that you've been thinking of quitting, Del. Just so you know, I appreciate the work you've done here.

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