Note on The Order policies

[Drake]

The thing is, as far as Igiss/the Admins seem to be concerned, factions have no right to decide who gets any ship, including 'extremely rare' ships such as the Order Light Carrier and Zoner Juggernaut. That much they've been very clear about, and that issue is only linked to the system-owning faction rights because that's where the big capships are going to be sold.

[ryoken]

Lots of BS's say they are rare.Some say there is only 1/or used to. Still lots are seen flying around. I myself intend to get the carrier(if i like what i see). I am not writing a dam story about it,and i never will write a stary for any ship i fly. I suck at writing,and infact down right hate it. That does not mean i should not be allowed to get 1. I do not think a player should have to "ASK" for any ship. If you see them in game? and they are not RP'n it? sure give them greif,try to help them, but this is a game,and every player, no matter new/old indie/faction young/older:) should be denied anything in what is basically just a game.

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[Tenacity]

Lots of BS's say they are rare.Some say there is only 1/or used to. Still lots are seen flying around. I myself intend to get the carrier(if i like what i see). I am not writing a dam story about it,and i never will write a stary for any ship i fly. I suck at writing,and infact down right hate it. That does not mean i should not be allowed to get 1. I do not think a player should have to "ASK" for any ship. If you see them in game? and they are not RP'n it? sure give them greif,try to help them, but this is a game,and every player, no matter new/old indie/faction young/older:) should be denied anything in what is basically just a game.

If you are not willing to put the effort into getting the ship (that means either going out of your way to prove yourself in-game OR writing up RP on the forums), you dont deserve it.

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[reavengitair]

Take for example the Order Light Carrier being added in 4.85. It's infocard states that it is a very rare ship, that only a small handful will be in operation. Black squadron and most Order Indies have agreed that we do not want people waltzing in and buying such a ship just for the lulz and pvp, it needs to be restricted to approved players - but with this 'rule' we're unable to enact such restriction.

Next thing you know we'll have dozens of carriers spammed all over sirius, going directly against the infocard of the ship and what most of us have reached in consensus should be the number of them in operation.

Well there are restrictions on most capships, except zoner and a few others... So why can't there be a restricion on the new carrier? After all, If they want a powerfull battleship they could go for something else (after all, the carrier is light!) and nowadays you dont really go around seeing osirises everywhere so I see no reason why the carrier should be so popular.

[Slainte]

I managed to read about half this thread and found a few things that are repeated over and over again.

1. How to restrict cap ships ( from any old joe blogs who has enough cash )

2. How to restrict top end gear ( from the same joe )

3. The faction or no faction question.

First off might i say i am not an experienced roleplayer as some of you guys and girls are and that i dont fly anything bigger than my large train for tradeing and my VHF for dieing :rolleyes:

But, i have played on a server who would issue a player with an XML of a ship or guns or high end gear ( shields etc ) only when they had shown maturity and sense when playing on said server. This would be issued by an admin or faction leader ounce an amount of time had passed. Ounce this was issued you could then insert this xml into your game files and voila, one set of gear could be bought at a named station.

I dont know the tech's of this or indeed if this was doable on Disco, but it made the player actually work for his right to fly large or faction specific ships. And to work more on his rp rather than log on, powertrade, buy a cap 8 ship and whore away.

This is just something that i have seen before and it seemed to work. For factions it was generally easier to get your xml because you were under the all seeing eye of said faction. For indies it took a bit longer as it was an admin who issued the xml, and they couldn't watch them a lot of the time. ( real life takes first spot in my eyes )

So from first starting you could fly up to bomber then you had to earn anything after that.

Just a thought that would encourage rp and sensible play.

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[ryoken]

OMFG You really take pixle's way to serious Tenacity. So if i get let's say 10 people that think you do not RP, or write a good story well? then you can't have the ship you want to play? That is what you are saying? Correct?

It has been stated many time's. RP is in the eye of the beholder,and good RP to 1 is bad to another.

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[Drake]

If you are not willing to put the effort into getting the ship (that means either going out of your way to prove yourself in-game OR writing up RP on the forums), you dont deserve it.

Says you. Igiss, it seems, thinks differently.

Seriously, if someone was similarly restricting Zoner Juggernauts (perhaps the rarest battleship in Sirius, supposedly), would Jinx have ever managed to get one? The Persephone is well-respected among Zoners, yet I don't believe there was a lot of pre-Juggernaut RP in-game for that character, nor were there long stories written on the forums (note: forum stories shouldn't be required for anything).

Edit: With all rights come those who would abuse those rights, but that's not a reason to restrict that freedom. You punish the abusers as they come, and if there's someone who you think abuses their right, but isn't actually breaking the law... Well, that's more your problem than theirs, since it's just your opinion.

[Zelot]

Well, as someone who has started an official faction, will have a custom system in 4.85, as well as being the leader of a faction that does have capspam issues, I can tell you for damn sure, none of the reasons I did those thing was that I wanted to force my will on other people. I started the AFA because I saw a part of our universe that was not being represented, and a good, visible, official faction would cast a good light on an npc faction that was over looked. The reason we decided to spend the billion credits on the Tau42 system was not so we could have a place of our own, it was so we could have a vehicle to advance the Farmers role play, and we have. As an official faction the AFA has been able to effect game play, and it will be reflected in the "rules" thus becoming a real part of the game. The AFA will be allowed to land on lawful bases, and we were one of the first "unlawful" factions to start doing it. The RP was good, it didnt conflict with the cannon or history of the game, and thus the AFA will leave a lasting imprint on the Discovery universe, that is why I chose to create the AFA. I am also the leader of a Corsair faction, the Brotherhood, one of the oldest factions on the Server, and the oldest Corsair faction. I did not take command because it was going to give me the opportunity to control corsairs, or really give it to them lolwuters. I took command because it has opened up rp opportunities for my character that would never have existed without my position.



Some one said something about how anyone can make themselves grand lord admiral of the Outcasts, and the factions couldn't stop them. That may be true, but I can say I am the king of France, but unless someone besides myself believes it, and follows me, I am just some poor mental case.


I get alot out of playing this game on this server, I want to give back, and not by trying to force people to see things my way, but instead trying to con vice them that my vision for the rp is something that people want as a part of the game.

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[Tenacity]

OMFG You really take pixle's way to serious Tenacity. So if i get let's say 10 people that think you do not RP, or write a good story well? then you can't have the ship you want to play? That is what you are saying? Correct?

It has been stated many time's. RP is in the eye of the beholder,and good RP to 1 is bad to another.

nobody's asking to prove that your RP is the same as theirs, only that you can show some self restraint in using the ship and arent going to break RP or server rules in using it.

This hasnt been a problem for any other group that has restricted ship purchases - it happens with the corsairs, the outcasts, the RM, even the LN lately - why is it such a big deal that we do it?

Asking players to show a little responsibility in their choices and actions is not too much in exchange for the most powerful ships in the game, IMO.

After all, If they want a powerfull battleship they could go for something else (after all, the carrier is light!)

Well, technically the carrier is a cruiser, which makes it even more 'common' for players to go after than a battleship due to cost difference.

Worse yet, its an exceptionally powerful cruiser from what little information I've been given (battlecruiser, if you want to be technical about it) which makes it even more attractive to pvpers - look at how much the bounty hunter battlecruiser is used right now, because it has nearly the power of a battleship at much less cost.

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[Heartless]

actually if a faction owns a system and a ship is sold only in that system then that faction has the right to regulate the ship.

just to make clear.

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SwissScorch --> Heartless