' Wrote:To everyone in this thread, I can guarantee you will reap what you sow. So it's ok to shield run to a BS and the come back at an opponent when he doesnt follow younow days? thats fine. I will make sure I add that tactic to my portfolio, and since any tactic that is not explicitly against the rules is fair game now days, I will have to brush up on my less sportsman like ways of taking someone down, since everyone here seems so ok with it.
If it wasn't for bases I wouldn't get to play in Omicron Delta. That is a simple fact. Bases are actually effective now. And no-one forces anyone to attack right near a base.
But it is possible to draw an enemy away from a base as well.
I personally never know exactly what shield-running is. Does it count as leaving combat?
I wouldn't mind people finding ingenious ways to kill off BAF staff, seeing as we have too many of 'em, little whippersnappers. Most important thing is that as players we get to find some way to continue the BAF/KNF war without it degenerating into player-player war....which it has in the past, to the point where logging on as my BAF is completely uninviting sometimes.
' Wrote:If it wasn't for bases I wouldn't get to play in Omicron Delta. That is a simple fact. Bases are actually effective now. And no-one forces anyone to attack right near a base.
But it is possible to draw an enemy away from a base as well.
I personally never know exactly what shield-running is. Does it count as leaving combat?
I wouldn't mind people finding ingenious ways to kill off BAF staff, seeing as we have too many of 'em, little whippersnappers. Most important thing is that as players we get to find some way to continue the BAF/KNF war without it degenerating into player-player war....which it has in the past, to the point where logging on as my BAF is completely uninviting sometimes.
Well, I will be playing my chars in Leeds much less, because this is not fun. This whole thing between Kusari and Bretonia is not fun, because people seem to think winning is more important than making a fight fun for everyone.
I hope everyone understand Zapp, Sonja, Ench, Cassaro and I won the fight, so it's not the sour grapes you may be thinking, it's the fact that each side seems to think it has to do whatever possible to win, whether it's fair or fun or not. Much like the GMG going into an event outnumbering their enemy 16 to 4. People are taking fights way too seriously, everyone HAS to win, and will do WHATEVER they need to win, no matter what. It's just not fun, so I will take a bit of Xorias advise and just not play with you anymore.
' Wrote:Well, I will be playing my chars in Leeds much less, because this is not fun. This whole thing between Kusari and Bretonia is not fun, because people seem to think winning is more important than making a fight fun for everyone.
I hope everyone understand Zapp, Sonja, Ench, Cassaro and I won the fight, so it's not the sour grapes you may be thinking, it's the fact that each side seems to think it has to do whatever possible to win, whether it's fair or fun or not. Much like the GMG going into an event outnumbering their enemy 16 to 4. People are taking fights way too seriously, everyone HAS to win, and will do WHATEVER they need to win, no matter what. It's just not fun, so I will take a bit of Xorias advise and just not play with you anymore.
There's no reason why players can't agree to certain conditions for fights.
Just to say, it was not BAF that was involved in this Derby hugging business, and I dont care for implications that we ever do, in my experience it has always been KNF that has done it to us, for zelot to say that 'its no longer fun in leeds anymore' is honestly funny, BAF has put up with it for a bloody long time, if you want to no longer log your AFA in Leeds, good lord, wont get me stopping you, having farmers in Leeds honestly feels plain silly, but whatever helps KNF with their number issues.
Though funnily enough, I agree entirely, its just that its mostly the Kusari side that has conducted this behaviour for as long as Nagasaki was in Tau31.
I'll say Leeds as it is, for me has not been horribly fun.
Ah, sorry Dieter, I spoke my thoughts slightly too much.
50 laps around Battleship York for naughty forum posts.
' Wrote:Just to say, it was not BAF that was involved in this Derby hugging business, and I dont care for implications that we ever do, in my experience it has always been KNF that has done it to us, for zelot to say that 'its no longer fun in leeds anymore' is honestly funny, BAF has put up with it for a bloody long time, if you want to no longer log your AFA in Leeds, good lord, wont get me stopping you, having farmers in Leeds honestly feels plain silly, but whatever helps KNF with their number issues.
Though funnily enough, I agree entirely, its just that its mostly the Kusari side that has conducted this behaviour for as long as Nagasaki was in Tau31.
I'll say Leeds as it is, for me has not been horribly fun.
Ah, sorry Dieter, I spoke my thoughts slightly too much.
50 laps around Battleship York for naughty forum posts.
I speak for myself, and I did let one or two incidents get me upset. As I have said many times, this is both sides taking it too far. I do see a diffrnce between stokes and the Nagasaki as I see a diffrence between planet leeds and the Derby. Stationary Battleship are devistating and anyone hostile to them will have very little chance of doing anything while in thier range except dodge as hard as they can and hope not to die. The same is not true for bases for the most part. While I dont think an "treaty" or "agreement" is needed, what I would ask is that both Bretonian and Kusari players, and all players on the server for that matter, have a bit of thought for the guy on the other side, use some compasion, and most of all go by the golden rule, if you dont want someone using a tactic on you, dont use it on others. If someone used a tactic and it really annoyed and upset you, dont go and use it on someone else. I dont like the oorp medeating of war, and it wouldnt be nessesary if we could try to just be nicer people to each other and give each other more consideration.
Markam, as to your comments about the AFA. While I understand you think the AFA shouldnt be there, we think they should and have given solid rp for over a year, long before the KNF invasion of leeds as to why we are there. I am sure you dont like people to dictate your rp to you, and just the same, we at the AFA have grown tired of it. If you instead of complaining about the AFA being there, would like to maybe take part in our rp, have an event, work out some rp where by if the Bretonians met certian objectives in the event the AFA would be pushed out, but I have never recived any indication that anyone on the Bretonian side was intrested in taking part in our rp, becuase all I ever got out of any conversations that were had was "we dont want the AFA there, doesnt matter how long you have been there or why you say you are there, we dont want you there, get out" which doesnt really make me think you want any part in our rp, so we go out and do it by ourselves. In the end, I am past caring if you want us there, because you have chosen the path of oorp attack instead of in-rp involvment.
To address the general topic and not the kusari-bretonian turdslinging, I've always thought basecamping was a bit lame, but then again, I have definitely drawn caps in to asteroid fields and effortlessly destroyed their stupid giant bodies. There isn't really a difference there when you think about it.
While I like the whole community thing, and I don't like any ooc enmity between groups, I think I agree with Xoria. This is an RP server. While we are, or at least should be, all secretly buddies, when we are roleplaying as our characters, they are not buddies. I have characters who don't care for fighting fair. If it's causing players grief, then I guess it's not good, but if people could just detach themselves from their characters, it would be fine. If you get outplayed tactically, just take it like you would if you got killed because the other pilot was better and/or luckier.
Fairplay and RP often work against each other. Last fight I was in was RM and friends versus RHA and friends. After a while, for various reasons, there was a lot of "/l //" stuff. While it was nice to see that everyone was having fun and no one was getting annoyed, at the same time, it turned the fight from the rheinland military fighting the red hessians into me as a player having a fun little fight with some other players. While this isn't necessarily bad, everyone is probably going to fall on one side of the fence or other.
Plus really, if you're fighting somewhere, and all your opponents go and run away to camp a base, you can always just...not follow them. You've 'won' the fight for your little piece of ground, and they want to go stay alive. If you want to hunt them down and make them all die, and they don't want that to happen, isn't that just as unsportsmanlike as camping the base in the first place?
There's just an issue in deciding what is fairplay, what is RP, and what is fun. If everyone agrees that what is happening is fun, the other stuff doesn't matter. For me, winning because you are lagging around or have some stupid loadout geared for killing guys over roleplay is unsportsmanlike, but dragging a battle to where it suits you more is tactics.
If someone is getting OOC upset about a battle being taken to where they don't like, then that's not good. But is it the fault of the guy dragging him to a BS, or is it the fault of the guy for getting upset when he 'shouldn't'?
Frankly it's all too hard to define and it seems like most of the time people just want to have something to moan about anyway. If people start treating things as a 'fun game' and less like a giant conspiracy purposed entirely with making you as a player have a bad time, then all these problems stop being problems without anything else having to change.
As the commander of the BAF| forces for part of the fight, I have a few thoughts.
1) A furball is a furball, nobody can control where it goes without completely stopping the fight. If the battle drifts too close to the Derby, retreat, but don't blame the other side because they really had no control over where the battle moved.
2) Some BAF| and BTA were watching the fight (usually after they had been killed), but not participating, from the Derby. This could be seen as base camping in the heat of battle, but in reality they were just spectators.
3) I can't type and dodge, particularly when I have a Corsair marksman on my tail. Therefore, I did drift out of the battle to give orders and type in general.
4) Dieter logged later in the battle and told me to keep away from the Derby, which I relayed to the rest of the group. We didn't go back to the battleship until we retreated.
5) As others have pointed out, the [KNF] and [AFA] have both base camped in the past, so it's a bit hypocritical to expect us not to. If both sides agree to stay away from bases during fights, I'm all for that, but we can't have it both ways.
6) Unfortunately, I don't know how the fight started, but if the fight would have been organized prior to engagement, we could of had a nice fight over in northwest Leeds.
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