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bluntpencil2001 · (This post was last modified: 08-13-2009, 11:12 PM by bluntpencil2001.)

' Wrote:Yeah, but the main thing I'm saying is you're treating all Corsairs like thugs and pirates.

Your example would be better put as, "A large group of Middle-Easterners moved to Switzerland and among them were a group of known terrorists".

This is a joke. The Corsairs are known to be organised (see the infocard for Corsairs). They were also invited in due to combat prowess. The Corsairs, as a nation, bombed Cork, and as a nation, attack Bretonia. It isn't renegade elements that do this, it's their official policy taken by their people. Their official foreign policy is to be thugs and pirates, as well as genocidal maniacs.

The Corsairs aren't a race in general. They are an organisation, admittedly loose, with thug-like goals and methods.

Magoo! · (This post was last modified: 08-13-2009, 11:16 PM by Magoo!.)

Lots of nations, as a nation, went to war with lots of people over time.

Peggy Sue (I love you...) may or may not support the war, but as a citizen of X country, she is immediately subject to killing? Just because her government condones a war? You're thinking too much with labels and not with a realistic view. Not everybody can be a soldier, so not everybody should be your target and not everybody should be held accountable for governmental acts based solely on where citizenship is held.

-Edit- In essence, you're saying all members of X country, including civilians, should be killed since they're mean to your people. Crikey, you say its genocide they committed, yet its genocide you seek to commit.

farmerman · 08-13-2009, 11:16 PM,

It seems like the neutrality canon issue is being taken way beyond where it originated.

FP10 was supposed to have been routinely attacked until they started selling a lot of supplies to the Outcasts. The Houses demanded the whole Unioner situation. Frankly, this sounds EXACTLY like the latter situation - a house is demanding the Zoners take action against criminals. If you go by canon, it seems the Zoners should kick the Corsairs out to build a base elsewhere in the system, yes?

Of course, I'm still not sure how they can stay neutral with a lot of groups since they let Corsairs live and protect Canaria. Wouldn't that anger the Mollys and Hessians at the very least?

In any case, neutrality is only something you can declare towards someone. If the Zoners say they're neutral to everyone, that's good, but the other groups are under no obligation to return the favor, though they will have to live with the repercussions.

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Lucend · 08-13-2009, 11:16 PM,

Quote:The Corsairs on GC aren't just women and children.

No, they are women, children, husbands, wives, war veterans and young pilots. There is a -community- on Canaria. It's not some sort of military complex, if you want that then go to Omega 50. Gran Canaria is peaceful and serene. Besides, if the Mollies invaded I would have agreed with you. But BRETONIA is invading, I don't know if you have kept up on your recent politics, but the Mollies have declared themselves to be a separate Republic.

Also, repeating something over and over doesn't make it right by repetition.

"The thirteen saloons that had lined the one street of Seney had not left a trace. The foundations of the Mansion House hotel stuck up above the ground. The stone was chipped and split by the fire. It was all that was left of the town of Seney. Even the surface had been burned off the ground.
Nick looked at the burned-over stretch of hillside, where he had expected to find the scattered houses of the town and then walked down the railroad track to the bridge over the river. The river was there."

Osaika Moto, the Fall and Rise of a Kusari Farmer

Juan Lucendez, √ Corsair

bluntpencil2001 · 08-13-2009, 11:18 PM,

' Wrote:Lots of nations, as a nation, went to war with lots of people over time.

Peggy Sue (I love you...) may or may not support the war, but as a citizen of X country, she is immediately subject to killing? Just because her government condones a war? You're thinking too much with labels and not with a realistic view. Not everybody can be a soldier, so not everybody should be your target. Not 100% of the population on GC is launching for the purpose of killing something.

Zoners invited the Corsairs in to provide firepower.

Regardless, you didn't see Switzerland opening the floodgates to civilians in WW2. You saw it close its borders.

Neutrality is difficult. It's a hard position to play. It doesn't always involve favouring neither side. Like the Al Qaeda example, sometimes neutral parties have to take a side. I doubt Switzerland's government said 'we have no opinion on the events after bombing XYZ'.

' Wrote:No, they are women, children, husbands, wives, war veterans and young pilots. There is a -community- on Canaria. It's not some sort of military complex, if you want that then go to Omega 50. Gran Canaria is peaceful and serene. Besides, if the Mollies invaded I would have agreed with you. But BRETONIA is invading, I don't know if you have kept up on your recent politics, but the Mollies have declared themselves to be a separate Republic.

Also, repeating something over and over doesn't make it right by repetition.

The Zoners invited them in to keep Bretonians out.

And Bretonia didn't invade. Some pirates attacked, from Bretonia. Just like Corsair pirates attack Bretonia from Zoner bases.

A taste of Zoner medicine. The Bretonian government is neutral.

atom · 08-13-2009, 11:23 PM,

I foresee the rise of the AW again. chuckle chuckle.

11of10 · 08-13-2009, 11:29 PM,

One question, somewhat connected to this entire mess.. By Role Play, Bowex is allowed to enter Omega49, and transport refugees to Gran Can, correct? How are they supposed to do that, with what ships (my Shire got obliterated by NPC Corsairs)?

Quote:Be excelent to each other!

Magoo! · 08-13-2009, 11:29 PM,

Quote:Zoners invited the Corsairs in to provide firepower.

Yes, maybe at first, but over time as Lucend said, a community has grown. People have come from hither and yon to escape raids or starvation.

Gotta go, more counterpoints later.

bluntpencil2001 · 08-13-2009, 11:35 PM,

' Wrote:Yes, maybe at first, but over time as Lucend said, a community has grown. People have come from hither and yon to escape raids or starvation.

Gotta go, more counterpoints later.

Corsairs aren't starving. They're well-off enough to buy food from Zoners with their profits... gained from crime of course.

Still, there is a military presence there. If they were just running to escape starvation, they'd become Zoners themselves. But they didn't. They still fly their skull and crossbones.

dead_shot · 08-13-2009, 11:37 PM,

' Wrote:What are you, the Pope?

The Swiss wouldn't hide Al Qaeda in Zurich, Zoners shouldn't harbour genocidal Corsairs on Gran Canaria.

Zoners are not hiding anyone! People come and stay there openly. It is up to you to come and try to take them out. You have whole system to try to do it, besides the NFZ. You brake it you die. Same as anyone else...

I would like to see anybody trying to bomb Swiss though...

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