Zoner RP Solutions

[Elsdragon]

It's also an in RP issue.

The evidence is on Freeport 2, which gave in to political pressure in a similar situation.

The problem with Governors implies that Zoners are governed and have a government.

They fled such things for a reason.

Ill try to be neutral on this........

GC has an Entire population on the planet however, its not quite like FP2.

Regarding what you said, I find it rather true

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No longer a slave to the man!

[bluntpencil2001]

Ill try to be neutral on this........

GC has an Entire population on the planet however, its not quite like FP2.

Regarding what you said, I find it rather true

Having a Corsair population is exactly our problem. They're barbarian invaders, they are.

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[DAnvilFan]

Zoners have governing forces, such as their various factions and the Council of Zoners attempts to control what it can.

The difference between Zoners and Houses is that there are many, many different controlling forces most of which are independant of one another. Realistically speaking, Zoners should have one faction per base or something to that effect. Impossible of course.

[bluntpencil2001]

I believe this infocard, for Gran Canaria, shows that Bretonians, Mollys, Hessians and Bounty Hunters all have good reason to trouble said planet. It also shows that it isn't just about women and children.

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[DAnvilFan]

Well, you're right on the money.

All I can say is that RP wise Zoners kicked Corsairs out as protectors and no longer pay them. *shrugs*

Of course Bretonians are free to be in GC. Sure thing. I'm just puzzled why it took so long to occur. Especially AFTER Zoners kicked Corsairs out as bodyguards.

[Derkylos]

Well, for starters think about a Zoner army. There is no coordination because you're not a military, meaning you have no ranks (ranks being something the Zoners would probably find abhorrent - personal freedom of anarchists and all that). You get coordination from ranks and chain of command. Without ranks command falls to a ship's captain and what he or she thought was the best choice - not beneficial for tactical cohesion.

Added to the fact that as Zoners, you have no military training due to your self-imposed neutrality (no enemies, no training) you're given a result that looks more than a little alike green combat crews that are going to be decimated by any tactically sound and militarily organised and trained force.

Plus you've got a sprawl of stations spanning most of Sirius. Yes Zoner fleets are big, but they're not big enough to cover all their ground. You'd have to cluster fleets around Gran Canaria and other vital stations, which leaves the opportunistic vultures that are the rest of Sirius to swoop on the undefended ports.

Sure, fleets could be redeployed as needed, but for any real chance of a timely and effective redeployment, you need tactical cohesion (see first paragraph), which just isn't happening. When a fleet redeploys that also opens a chink in the armour elsewhere - giving more vultures room to swoop.

Aggressive Zoners are infeasible. You're too spread out and untrained.
Same thing.

You can't have the best of both worlds. You're either a superpower, or you're not. You can't be a superpower only when it benefits you.

:lol:

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[bluntpencil2001]

Wasn't there all sorts of whining in the Extradition thread when I suggested kicking the corsairs out?

But it already happened? Huhwha?

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[Lucend]

Well, you're right on the money.

All I can say is that RP wise Zoners kicked Corsairs out as protectors and no longer pay them. *shrugs*

Of course Bretonians are free to be in GC. Sure thing. I'm just puzzled why it took so long to occur. Especially AFTER Zoners kicked Corsairs out as bodyguards.

That's not what the infocard says. And I'm fairly certain that even if the Zoners canceled our deal, we'd still be there to ensure the security of the Corsairs on the surface.

Edited to add: So "refugees" don't include women and children?

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"The thirteen saloons that had lined the one street of Seney had not left a trace. The foundations of the Mansion House hotel stuck up above the ground. The stone was chipped and split by the fire. It was all that was left of the town of Seney. Even the surface had been burned off the ground.
Nick looked at the burned-over stretch of hillside, where he had expected to find the scattered houses of the town and then walked down the railroad track to the bridge over the river. The river was there."

Osaika Moto, the Fall and Rise of a Kusari Farmer

Juan Lucendez, √ Corsair

[kemira]

-The zoner warfleet is a threat to everyone.
-The zoner is a loosely based organization, with extensive funds, formidable firepower, and access to every corner of the sirius sector.
-They may be viewed as unpredictable by other factions, too many subfactions (almost every zoner is an independent group). Today sell weapons to Rheinland and tomorrow Pharmaceuticals to Liberty.
-If they are peaceful and neutral, why the heavy warship. (i think a condition for neutrality is the minimal weapon proliferation).
-the statement -we are peaceful- in a Juggernaut isnt very reasonable (even if is true).
Any Military advisor may considere the zoners as a threat.

PD: a question, why the Lawful Houses have to respect the NFZ. This is nonsense, if the zoners do or say somethig, the can be banned, and whitout free access to house space the zoner groups are doomed. And the House corporations will be in gain. So Explain the Neutrality again, a casual zoner dromedary is a thing, but large Whale convoys are a juicy target even for tax collectors.

[Benjamin]

whoa buddy you aint selling pharmaceuticals to liberty

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