Opening up Gallia

[cobraSting]

The Outcast idea could work. Who told you the Outcasts are even remotely interested in allying with those evil creatures that want to kill us and how would the GRN know about it, even if it was true? I counter those slanderous lies!

Ahem.

The first idea seems like the easiest idea to implement. But, won't it just lead to Outcasts being in Gallia instead of more actually Gallic players?

Nomad Lore points to Nomad-Outcast truce due to the Outcast not being human. The religious treatment of nomads suggests that Outcasts look up to nomads as higher beings. Therefore they would not support GRN, whose goals contrast those of Nomads.

[Elsdragon]

GRN hate all Sirians, And IRP, they could take Most of the houses on at once... They Dont NEED allies really, WHen they can park a valor and everylane

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No longer a slave to the man!

[Klaw117]

I know a news report at a Corsair base said the Corsairs are looking into allying with Gallic forces (although it doesn't state whether to ally with Council or GRN) because they know the Outcasts will treat them with hostility and it will give the Corsairs a second front to attack the Outcasts and Bretonia from.

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Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!

[Guest]

1.) GRN wants to bring pain to every faction in the Sirius Sector, especially the Outcasts - cardamine would seriously harm Gallia at this time. Thus the Outcasts are enemies.

2.) I'd like a Gallic Junker ID, but that's just me.

3.) Strategically ridiculous. The Council is cut in two, divided and recovering from heavy casualties from breaking the minefield, and you expect them to be able to take the prime Royalist center of activity in the Gallic Border Worlds? No thanks.

4.) If you can get the factions to RP it out, sure, why not? Personally, I would think any Sirius faction would eye ANY Gallic force with suspicion and distrust, but they have minds and can decide for themselves.

1. /signed, nothing need be said.
2. /signed, even though some would argue that the Sirian Junkers and Gallic Junkers are one and the same, the simply fact of the matter is that they Aren't. Canon RP for Sirian Junkers is that they originated from Gallia, true. But Canon RP for Sirian Junkers is also that the larger majority of them -Lost The Truth of Their Origins-. This key part is the basis for Marcel Touvier's hostility towards Sirian Junkers in that they must be reminded of where their place is in their allegience with the Gallic Royals.
3. /signed, the Council from both an RP perspective and a Metagame perspective are small. We essentially only have the Chaumont (an NPC BS), and for lack of knowledge of any other player battleship, the Dunkerque. Gallic Royals have the Carcassone, Guillestre, Embrun, Beauvray, Rocroi, Epinal, and whatever is rumored to lie within New Paris. Along with the Chant du Cygne and maybe 1-2 other player battleships.
----It is worth noting that of those NPC Battleships named for the Gallic Royals, 4 of them are on Council Borders. The Rocroi, Epinal, Guillestre, and Carcassone

Nomad Lore points to Nomad-Outcast truce due to the Outcast not being human. The religious treatment of nomads suggests that Outcasts look up to nomads as higher beings. Therefore they would not support GRN, whose goals contrast those of Nomads.

Note that Outcast ID restricts the attacking of Nomads, except in self-defense. Nomads are still perfectly capable of attacking Outcasts if they see fit to do so as none of the nomad IDs restrict the attacking of Outcasts, and only mentions them as the only group they can choose to ally with. Not that they must ally with them.

Edit:

The problem with Gallia at the moment is that it's so damn isolationist, and in order to open it up were going to inevitably bend or break this rule in one way or another.

I missed it.
I saw it.
I facepalmed.

Gallia is so damned isolationist because the people of Gallia outside of the Council and their supporters are Isolationists.

Edit2:

Its also worth noting that Council Alliances with Sirian Factions have been attempted before. The idea was flamed for the "major change of RP it would cause" even though there wouldn't have even been a "minor change of RP" as it was merely an agreement to allow the trade between the Council and Sirian Factions to have an RP'ed Origin instead of no background at all aside from the slightly new (very recent) notice given by Admins to allow Council ships into the Taus

Threads worth Reading related to this edit:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=37003 -- This one is not as important as the ones below
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=36111 -- This one is not as important as the ones below
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=33539 -- The Treaty of Reunion being worked with Bretonia that is mentioned in the other 2 links. Note that it has been inactive for 5. This is because of all the negativity it received.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=33557 -- A portion of this thread is against the Treaty of Reunion for various reasons I refuse to go through and list.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=33541 -- A thread started as a generic discussion about the Treaty of Reunion because people saw it wasn't right that Bretonia laid claim to a contested system in the Bretonia Kusari War

[atlantis2112]

A jumphole opens up from New York to Burgundy.
That will increase the activity a lot, trust me.

I lol'd.

[Hundra]

I lol'd.

We should allow Royalist ships to get through and invade NY, and turn New York into a Gallic system!

[Bear]

We should allow Royalist ships to get through and invade NY, and turn New York into a Gallic system!

knowing our luck if that happened, the new NY/Gallic system would never have activity. For the first time ever, no ships in NY.

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[Guest]

On a joking point of view... That might not be such a bad thing.....

On a serious point of view... Best stick to the script.....

[Tenacity]

Idea 2: The Junkers get the Boot

Well, it's been mentioned, but the diplomatic consequences that would result in such a thing happening haven't been totally explained. We all know that the junkers are a bunch of two timing buggers and that's what's kept them alive. Their not a massive faction, but big enough so that if the Corsairs made a move against them then they'd fall straight into the arms of the Outcasts becoming a larger threat. The same thing applies here, if the Gallians were stupid enough to boot the Junkers out of Burgundy and Lorraine then they'd be a massive threat to their isolationism with all their connections. They'd go straight to the Council, Sirius, and all their allies. Then Bourg en Bresse would become the biggest pain in the Royalists back side since the loss of Marne.

Wont happen, Junkers are seen in a 'better light' in gallia than anywhere else in sirius. If the lawfuls in sirius put up with us, the gallic government treats us like kings comparatively speaking.

I think too many players try to apply the sirius view of junkers to how junkers should be perceived in gallia, and it just doesnt work like that. Junkers rarely deal with the unlawful elements of gallia, and when they do it's kept very hush-hush. They openly work for the crown and gallic corprations, though, and as such are far more respected by Gallia than they are by the Sirius houses.

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[Ash]

Outcast alliance will not work. Outcast are pseudo-allied with Nomads, who want to conquer Sirius. They cannot also be allied with GRN, who want to conquer Sirius...

I think this is perfectly possible. The Outcasts aren't directly allied with the Nomads cos, well lets face it, the Nomads hate humans in general. When were talking about the Outcast, Nomad relationship were talking about a bunch of crazy religious and supersticious pilots amongst the Maltanese Navy. Put that aside, they are still bent on corrupting and destroying the other four houses one way or another. Maybe they'l see this alliance as speeding up the process.

On a more serious note, I really do think that Gallia needs to be connected to the other Houses directly if it ever is meant to have activity equalling them.
They are just too damned far away for 90% of the server to interact with.

Perhaps we can try a crossfire kind of concept. The Gallians have built gates to remote parts of lawful house systems with the help of the Junkers from the other side. Maybe we can fit a reason for the Texas incident in there? It's a long shot but it may just work.

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