In regards to piracy

[GenRic]

Pirates may stop a ship, cruise disruptor, and fire a couple warning shots at the person being pirated but not enough to engage them, half shields.

The pirate must engage in RP, more then 'Give two mil' or 'My faction hates yours DIE'.

If Trader does not respond within thirty seconds then they may be destroyed by the pirate, or if they respond slowly and they seem to be procrastinating, then the pirate may destroy them.

Demands may not be excessive, take into account their ship and cargo and make your demands from that. If you are a pirate don't take more then a fourth of the cargo, if you are police or policing(Xeno or in ZoI) then you may demand all cargo. / Keep it into RP if you hate a faction pirate them a little more or destroy their cargo to hurt their economy. RP and have fun with it but don't make it not fun for the other.

May only pirate a person again if they dock and relieve their cargo or if they leave the system. Look at times and it's at your own discretion if it's unfair or not.

Traders may use pirate lanes but are at risk of being 'taxed' heavily for it.

Above all else be civil, as can be, and keep in RP and character. If you break it and go OORP you may be destroyed, if you make the Pirate mad he may destroy you, but he may not destroy you for seemingly no reason and especially not if you payed him.

[Baltar]

Oh, shut it, will you? And I never said that only pirates had to roleplay. I expect it from everyone, and so does every other person with half a brain on this server.

Congrats ... you've just delved into "personal" arguments over "idea" arguments. That's precisely why my signature block is the way it is ... I'm highlighting the fact that people either CANNOT or WILL NOT engage in arguing ideas INSTEAD OF personal attacks. Your telling me to "shut up" provides nothing to this discussion other than to highlight me and to utter some ridiculous non-argument. Grow up and debate.

Seriously?
Calling other people's legitimate thoughts drivel?
You call this civil?
Wildly assuming that other people's tiny snippets are intended to completely discount the entire rest of the universe is not only condescending, but insane.

Now, MY signature doesnt say anyting at all about civility....So...
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Nah, aint worth it.
Go back under your bridge and bother some goats.
No wonder you beg for civility. Im sure you inspire consternation wherever you go.

Gain a bit of context, will you please TFinnegan. Take into context what my signature represents. The individual called me out by name specifically to insult or harass me. Similarly, Kurosora, has chosen to insult me personally. He's not debating WHAT I've said ... he's attacking me as a person. "Shut up" is by no means part of any debate. Learn some context when you post, sir.


... Now back to the discussion ...

Pirates may stop a ship, cruise disruptor, and fire a couple warning shots at the person being pirated but not enough to engage them, half shields.

The pirate must engage in RP, more then 'Give two mil' or 'My faction hates yours DIE'.

If Trader does not respond within thirty seconds then they may be destroyed by the pirate, or if they respond slowly and they seem to be procrastinating, then the pirate may destroy them.

Demands may not be excessive, take into account their ship and cargo and make your demands from that. If you are a pirate don't take more then a fourth of the cargo, if you are police or policing(Xeno or in ZoI) then you may demand all cargo. / Keep it into RP if you hate a faction pirate them a little more or destroy their cargo to hurt their economy. RP and have fun with it but don't make it not fun for the other.

May only pirate a person again if they dock and relieve their cargo or if they leave the system. Look at times and it's at your own discretion if it's unfair or not.

Traders may use pirate lanes but are at risk of being 'taxed' heavily for it.

Above all else be civil, as can be, and keep in RP and character. If you break it and go OORP you may be destroyed, if you make the Pirate mad he may destroy you, but he may not destroy you for seemingly no reason and especially not if you payed him.

Pirates can demand whatever they want ... get over that fact. I've said it many times before ... if a trader can post a bounty on a pirate for 10 mil then the trader has no business complaining when the pirate demands 5 mil (or whatever). I've seen 50 mil bounties by traders who whine about being taxed 2 mil.

Pirates can pirate the same trader as often as he likes. If the trader is destroyed, he respawns and "reloads" new cargo. If he pays, he continues along his way and "docks and sells" his cargo and then "buys new cargo" and ... ahem ... he then returns to the same system where he was pirated in the first place. Where's the role play in a trader who "willingly" returns to the scene he was pirated? So ... lets not talk about role play of a pirate if we're not gonna discuss the role play of a trader.

[Trogdor]

I do believe I asked the flames to stop. Would a forum mod please clean up Baltar's post?

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[Grumblesaur]

Baltar, I think -you're- the one who needs to learn to grow up. You marched in with the flamethrower, don't get mad at us for getting our chainsaws.

This is a discussion - we're working out the kinks here. All sides have to be discussed - INCLUDING the ones you don't like. We're working on a rule improvement here; these things take time and well-thought-out discussion. Put the matches away and extinguish the flames in your post.

This is absolutely unnecessary.

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A way a lone a last a loved a long the riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay,
brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.

[mith]

If Trader does not respond within thirty seconds then they may be destroyed by the pirate, or if they respond slowly and they seem to be procrastinating, then the pirate may destroy them.

IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!!1!!!

Unenforceable rule, would cause many an argument over sanction reperts as it's entirely subjective and that the trader isn't then allowed to respond after you've killed them.

Demands may not be excessive, take into account their ship and cargo and make your demands from that. If you are a pirate don't take more then a fourth of the cargo, if you are police or policing(Xeno or in ZoI) then you may demand all cargo. / Keep it into RP if you hate a faction pirate them a little more or destroy their cargo to hurt their economy. RP and have fun with it but don't make it not fun for the other.

This really shouldn't be a rule, but rather a part of some unofficial "pirate code" somewhere on the forums. The moment we limit what pirates can ask for is the moment we kill piracy and stop it being fun from the trader's perspective.

[Baltar]

I do believe I asked the flames to stop. Would a forum mod please clean up Baltar's post?

I was on topic with my comments PRIOR to Kurosora telling me to "shut up." Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm flaming. If you cannot take criticism or someone with a different viewpoint than your own then you need to grow some thicker skin.

Try directing the "cleaning up" to those who are making things personal. And mods ... please read all my posts here and put into context of the discussion. Then please clean up those who took this OFF topic by making it personal. I simply responded to the discussion like everyone else and Kurosora chose to tell me to "shut up" rather than to refute my position.

Baltar, I think -you're- the one who needs to learn to grow up. You marched in with the flamethrower, don't get mad at us for getting our chainsaws.

This is a discussion - we're working out the kinks here. All sides have to be discussed - INCLUDING the ones you don't like. We're working on a rule improvement here; these things take time and well-thought-out discussion. Put the matches away and extinguish the flames in your post.

This is absolutely unnecessary.

If you cannot take criticism or someone disagreeing with your point then you need to grow some thicker skin. Telling me to "shut up" is WAY off topic and demonstrates that you are unable to "debate."

You can refute my position or ignore it ... but do NOT tell me to "shut up."

This IS a discussion ... and I disagreed with one or two of your points. How in the world is that interpreted as flaming? And as you mentioned ... all sides have to be discussed. I'm presenting one side. Telling me to "shut up" is insulting and just enrages me more. So ... you can either debate me on the issue or you can ignore me. Which will it be sir? But I'm NOT gonna stand by and be told to "shut up." That just tells me that you're not interested in any opposing view.

[Grumblesaur]

I was on topic with my comments PRIOR to Kurosora telling me to "shut up." Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm flaming. If you cannot take criticism or someone with a different viewpoint than your own then you need to grow some thicker skin.

Try directing the "cleaning up" to those who are making things personal. And mods ... please read all my posts here and put into context of the discussion. Then please clean up those who took this OFF topic by making it personal. I simply responded to the discussion like everyone else and Kurosora chose to tell me to "shut up" rather than to refute my position.
If you cannot take criticism or someone disagreeing with your point then you need to grow some thicker skin. Telling me to "shut up" is WAY off topic and demonstrates that you are unable to "debate."

You can refute my position or ignore it ... but do NOT tell me to "shut up."

This IS a discussion ... and I disagreed with one or two of your points. How in the world is that interpreted as flaming? And as you mentioned ... all sides have to be discussed. I'm presenting one side. Telling me to "shut up" is insulting and just enrages me more. So ... you can either debate me on the issue or you can ignore me. Which will it be sir? But I'm NOT gonna stand by and be told to "shut up." That just tells me that you're not interested in any opposing view.

Let it go, honestly. Practice what you preach.

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A way a lone a last a loved a long the riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay,
brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.

[GenRic]

I agree with the limiting the piracy amount being a unspoken code. Cause that is a very good point that if you can call for a twenty million bounty then the five million piracy isn't so much unfair anymore.

[Baltar]

Let it go, honestly. Practice what you preach.

I'm really getting sick of people turning things around on me. You told me to "shut up" and then got all high and mighty good guy like you did nothing wrong. Want me to drop it ... take the first step and admit you shoulda never told me to "shut up." Don't expect kind words from people when you tell them to "shut up."

I agree with the limiting the piracy amount being a unspoken code. Cause that is a very good point that if you can call for a twenty million bounty then the five million piracy isn't so much unfair anymore.

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Its all about balance. You can't have one side crying foul while at the same time they are just as guilty of going overboard.

[Grumblesaur]

I'm really getting sick of people turning things around on me. You told me to "shut up" and then got all high and mighty good guy like you did nothing wrong. Want me to drop it ... take the first step and admit you shoulda never told me to "shut up." Don't expect kind words from people when you tell them to "shut up."

Its all about balance. You can't have one side crying foul while at the same time they are just as guilty of going overboard.

Ohohoho, the hypocrisy.

But I definitely do agree with GenRic. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

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A way a lone a last a loved a long the riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay,
brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.