Order / Corsair alliance

[pruskis92]

Corsairs whould be fighting nomads only when they are in Gamma-Om41-Om5. Kappa, Delta - I see no reason to see sairs flying there, well we have few bases there but I dunno why do we need em. We can fly Osirises, easily.

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Anunaki,

You seem to lack a common sense why and how the alliance was made. Not becouse of nomad threats. Corsairs do not really meet them often. But becouse the OSIRIS.

And to fight BHG in omicron delta, just becouse of them this is not enought reason for corsairs to trow their resources and share their technology with the faction (Order) who has very very untrustable possible allies.

Common enemies =/= alliance

Hessians broken their alliance from outcasts for a reason. It's time for us to do it too.

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Omega Pirates Guild

History of OPG | Antonio "Vilkas" Devivar

[Anunaki]

Anunaki,

You seem to lack a common sense why and how the alliance was made. Not becouse of nomad threats. Corsairs do not really meet them often. But becouse the OSIRIS.

And to fight BHG in omicron delta, just becouse of them this is not enought reason for corsairs to trow their resources and share their technology with the faction (Order) who has very very untrustable possible allies.

Common enemies =/= alliance

Hessians broken their alliance from outcasts for a reason. It's time for us to do it too.

Well I wasnt on the server when it was decided that Order and Corsairs should be allied, but I heard it was decided by the devs for ballance issues (correct me if Im wrong).

Either way, the alliance always made perfect sense to me, more than a Bundschu or Blood dragon alliance would make sense in the current state of the storyline.

Your 'order=good, Corsair=bad' argument is really too simplistic, and not valid. Both use unlawfuls tactics to survive, if you want to argue like that.

About the 'very very untrustable' allies, I assume you mean that often Order dont help Corsairs when fighting Outcasts in gamma, or maybe alpha too.

Fact of the matter is, I always helped when Corsairs were attacked in Gamma, both by Keepers and Outcasts. But both times, I get yelled at by both Outcasts and Keepers about 'stupid order indy ganking lolwuts' (in one fight, there was first an Outcast raid and then right after that a keeper raid... talk about ganking...), and for the same reason I couldnt convince some other order players to come with me. Because they were scared of those people. So maybe you should talk about that with those people.

Aside from that... you poll...
Some of the people (looking at one) that said they vote agianst the alliance have Outcast, Keeper, and LPI character... enemy to both Order and COrsair. So you can guess WHY they vote break the alliance.

[... kur nubėgo?]

I really doubt it is about mixing chars rather becouse of lacking enought reasons for it.

And after restricting osiris which was both Corsairs and Order project the alliance history is ruined. Osiris was the main reason of the alliance, not common enemies or BHG. ORder didn't have the resources to build up such kind of ship. So they looked upon close living group which have huge military power and right facilities to produce such ship. The contract was made. Corsairs will get the Osiris bluepirnts, but will build it for themselves and to the order a well. Later pilot training. And relations envolved.

But someone decided to restrict Osiris to order only, that means Corsairs in RP no longer have the blueprints to build them on their own, which leads to the conclusion, that such contract was never made, as well as alliance was never forged. That means relations never envolved since they didn't have a starting point for it.

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Omega Pirates Guild

History of OPG | Antonio "Vilkas" Devivar

[KeNoB]

In my opinion, there is no real need to remove this alliance.
=> Every time Order need helps, corsairs wing go there, even until O minor.
=> Every time gamma is attacked Order are here to help.

Of course we need to explicit clearly agreement about Corsairs/Order shared technologies because it's currently a little fuzzy and you can find both way strange layout in space but Corsairs Council and Order HC are working on that.

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Mateo Benitez,
Consul of the Benitez Familly

[Anunaki]

I really doubt it is about mixing chars rather becouse of lacking enought reasons for it.

What someone finds reasonable and what not is very much affected by what side of the argument will give you an advantage or disadvantage.

And after restricting osiris which was both Corsairs and Order project the alliance history is ruined. Osiris was the main reason of the alliance, not common enemies or BHG. ORder didn't have the resources to build up such kind of ship. So they looked upon close living group which have huge military power and right facilities to produce such ship. The contract was made. Corsairs will get the Osiris bluepirnts, but will build it for themselves and to the order a well. Later pilot training. And relations envolved.

But someone decided to restrict Osiris to order only, that means Corsairs in RP no longer have the blueprints to build them on their own, which leads to the conclusion, that such contract was never made, as well as alliance was never forged. That means relations never envolved since they didn't have a starting point for it.

Is it possible that 'someone' in the Order is also oposed to the Corsair alliance and wants to break it?

Do you actually want and need the Osiris now?

Not sure, but I heard back in a while there was no good Corsair capital ships, which has changed now. Giving the blueprints of the Osiris may also help you take the technology forom Osiris and put it inside a better Corsair design. In RP, you could handle it like that.

The real question is... do you actually want to fly an Osiris as a Corsair, or do you just want to tax and maybe attack Order ships as a Corsair.

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No Anuki, since of 4.85 release I sold my only cap ship in whole my play time discovery. It was the Lunchbox. I do not fly anything bigger that bomber. Neither I want to fly the osiris. You are missing the point.

The Osiris was removed. IF that so, whole co-operation story was removed too, since alliance history do not have any starting point now. As for now, you can see that im quite agiasnt the alliance therefor I am for Osiris removal from Corsairs at all. Since if we wont have alliance, and my arguments will win this Osiris will be left to Order only.

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Omega Pirates Guild

History of OPG | Antonio "Vilkas" Devivar

[Anunaki]

Im all for it too. Osirirs only for Order. Beeter RP environment.

Still dont see why the alliance should be broken. Just say that the Corsairs lost interest in building hte Osiris since they can build alteratives now.

Lots of good reasons for the alliance (sharing bases, resources, common enemies, no hostilities between the 2). And no reason to break it...

[KeNoB]

No Anuki, since of 4.85 release I sold my only cap ship in whole my play time discovery. It was the Lunchbox. I do not fly anything bigger that bomber. Neither I want to fly the osiris. You are missing the point.

The Osiris was removed. IF that so, whole co-operation story was removed too, since alliance history do not have any starting point now. As for now, you can see that im quite agiasnt the alliance therefor I am for Osiris removal from Corsairs at all. Since if we wont have alliance, and my arguments will win this Osiris will be left to Order only.

As far as i can remember there is no official removed, since there are still some corsairs base selling this ship.
The current GC status is "May be used only with posted forum bio/story"

By the way, you can't remove the RP past, it will be no sense...

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Mateo Benitez,
Consul of the Benitez Familly

[McNeo]

As far as i can remember there is no official removed, since there are still some corsairs base selling this ship.
The current GC status is "May be used only with posted forum bio/story"

By the way, you can't remove the RP past, it will be no sense...

Just one Corsair base.
FLstat it or something.
And it won't be moving off any time soon.
So I dunno how some people think that it was 'removed'.
And as far as I know, we don't need a forum bio/story to -buy- a ship that we -make-...

And yes, removing the RP past would make no sense. Especially when the TBH flagship during the RM/TBH war was the Altaneria, an Osiris. Before we had our own Dreadnought. And even if we had our own one at the time, after realising the impracticalities of using it in anything but a defensive role, we probably would've still used the Osiris.