Colonial Remnant ID

[Elrainn]

If it wasn't you then who cares? Who are the one's placing the blame on you for IMG indies anyways? Obviously they don't Know much which should make you care even less.

[Rommie]

In such case, what makes you better than, say, the LN? Just because it is a vanilla faction means it should suffer loling indies?

It doesn't.But just because we are not a vanilla faction means we do?Because you cannot expect every indie to be RP.It just won't happen.Lolwuts have been around since the RP concept and they will be until Discovery ends.Which I hope will never be the case

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[CzeReptile]

Provided its us who made the ships, the new systems, bases, infocards. Why cant we say who we want to be part of it? Give me terrorist ID then. Ill mount it on my RM BS and go spread havoc cause im freelancer and funny guy who dont like to be ordered around.

that power should be held by the faction alone, without a majority of the communities approval.

By majority you mean whom? The outcasts who complain? believe me, its a larger scheme, its just you who fail to see it

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[Bobthemanofsteel]

It doesn't.But just because we are not a vanilla faction means we do?Because you cannot expect every indie to be RP.It just won't happen.Lolwuts have been around since the RP concept and they will be until Discovery ends.Which I hope will never be the case

The problem is the people opposed (while obviously mostly =CR= members), seem to believe that indie = lolwut. Or at least a majority of indies are.

I should of included a poll :\

Reptile: So you're saying, because you built, you own it? If you weren't making the faction to make RP on the server involved, or better, than why did you make it? To carve a little peice of the server as your own?

It's much like a a group of builders suddenly telling the community for which they built the shiny new meeting hall, 'Nope, it's ours, you can't use it unless you're one of us.'

[Rommie]

The problem is the people opposed (while obviously mostly =CR= members), seem to believe that indie = lolwut. Or at least a majority of indies are.

Then the minority of those Colonial-indie-wannabe's should make a request on our forums.If it gets approved, then I'm fine with it.Happy Rp and all.

And yes, a poll would of helped getting some borders in this thread.

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[Rommie]

'Nope, it's ours, you can't use it unless you're one of us.'

It's more like 'Nope, it was made by our people, you can't use it because of your history of a non-RP player'

And sorry about double posting.

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[Elrainn]

Again, you accuse Indies of being lulwutts who can't RP, they're not don't judge a book by it's cover, just because some Indies are bad, doesn't mean all of them are.

[n00bl3t]

It's more like 'Nope, it was made by our people, you can't use it because of your history of a non-RP player'

So that means players who RP can use it?

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Atreides2]

Elrainn , you must see my PM after a CR, IMG fight VS OC.
I got messages with , Why didn't you stopped the IMG BC coming.We told them to stay away they say : You are not IMG , you can't order me around. And then he gets rogues. Trust me , is no fun when in a fighter fight we have a zeph coming with missile blazing.

And Bobthemanofsteel ,i prefer not to enter that matter now , not on this thread.
And to answer your reply .
No we are not better then LN , BAF , KNF or any other factions , but we are trying , at least for that give us credits a bit:). Part of the policy is to be part of the faction , both inRP and ooRP , and that should remain.

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[Beagle23]

Directed at Atreides, too.

In such case, what makes you better than, say, the LN? Just because it is a vanilla faction means it should suffer loling indies?
I have to say, it seems rather elitist to think that you deserve full power over something, that you have brought into the community with the Faction and ID, now affecting everyone.
If anything, you should have LESS power than factions like the LN, who are a already Canon faction.

But I won't go into that.

The simple fact is, you have the power to change the story of Discovery, at least in the Taus and sorrounds, and excuse my blatant 'More powah to the indies!'... but I don't beleive that power should be held by the faction alone, without a majority of the communities approval.
Now replying to Beagle so I don't Double post again... ><

It's nice you decided to take my words out of context, and very constructive, I must say.
Yes, I beleive the RP can be bettered by Indy involvement.
Yes, I beleive that in the future I would like to be a part of that.
As for the faction comments, If I was to join the =CR=, I would be under someone's direct command, yes? If I was to join the LN, I would be under someone's direct control, yes?
At the moment, if someone joins Ageira, they are under my direct control.
Independants in both factions are not under faction control at all, apart from the 'in RP consequences'.

Therefore, being an independant gives you a mite more freedom to do what you wish, but hell, I explained this before and obviously you didn't bother to read and/or understand.

Hey, let's not get nasty here.

1. I have to say, it seems rather elitist to think that you deserve full power over something, that you have brought into the community with the Faction and ID, now affecting everyone.

That actually seems to make perfect sense to me, rather than being elitist. If it is elitist, well, it's been going on like this for a very long time and nobody's told the faction off for being elitist, so it's perhaps stealth elitism or somesuch that has only now been detected.

2. The simple fact is, you have the power to change the story of Discovery, at least in the Taus and sorrounds, and excuse my blatant 'More powah to the indies!'... but I don't beleive that power should be held by the faction alone, without a majority of the communities approval.

The Nomads also have the power to change the story of Discovery, but you have to apply to the Keepers. The Phantoms also have the power to change the story of Discovery, but you have to apply to them. The Coalition also have the power to change the story of Discovery, but you have to apply to them.

The Coalition represents an entire side from the Alliance/Coalition war, why aren't you including them in this proposal? I like their ships, I'd like to make an indie Coalition, but I looked at their recruitment once and it was some kind of confusingly obtuse thread where you were dicing with death to get in or something and it didn't quite really make sense. That's fine, it's their faction, I didn't start posting about how I should be entitled to their stuff without going by their application and rules. So again, why not include the Coalition in this, for example?

3. It's nice you decided to take my words out of context, and very constructive, I must say.

I'm sorry, it was not my intention. Please direct me to where I've done so.

4. Yes, I beleive the RP can be bettered by Indy involvement.

It could also be worsened. Again, I could say I believe the RP of the Keepers, Coalition or Phantoms would be bettered by indy involvement. It sounds very good and gracious, but of your own admission you've had very little experience with the CR. Isn't this an odd thing to say, in your position?

5. As for the faction comments, If I was to join the =CR=, I would be under someone's direct command, yes? If I was to join the LN, I would be under someone's direct control, yes?

As I explained before, you're free to make a Colonial Citizen or some such as long as you at least notify/ask the faction about it politely.

6. Therefore, being an independant gives you a mite more freedom to do what you wish, but hell, I explained this before and obviously you didn't bother to read and/or understand.

There's no need to get nasty with me. I could say the same of you ignoring some of my points, but there's no need for that kind of attitude.


Oh, and finally, because posts are getting sent in at a million miles a minute and here's a new thing to reply to:

The problem is the people opposed (while obviously mostly =CR= members), seem to believe that indie = lolwut. Or at least a majority of indies are.

I should of included a poll :\

Please don't take the moral high ground here and defend indies when you just said this - again, let's discuss this in a real and logical way.

In such case, what makes you better than, say, the LN? Just because it is a vanilla faction means it should suffer loling indies?