' Wrote:There are as many lolwut traders as there are lolwut pirates.
This makes making rules hard, seeing as anything you do to stop the 'PAY2MORDAI' makes it impossible for the perfectly respectable RPing pirates who can't stop the traders who just try to get away as fast as possible, which it is impossible to type while doing.
I disagree. The typical lolwuts want to make credits- they have no skills so they cannot make credits by pirating/NPC farming. So they go to trade/mine.
Any "perfectly respectable RPing pirate" can stop every trader in range- in the 95% of the cases.
I use /setmsg command typing /l1 /l2 /l3 is fast believe me. If the trader is rp able we have al least 5 minutes RP.I ask him questions like why you haul X for company X and they cannot answer me. If the trader try to silent run/dock /no engihnhj/ I SANCION u u junker/ I just make /l4 and /l5 then XXX was put out of action by XXX(Gun). It is all based on attitude. In 90% of the cases is Traders/Miners vs RP- believe me.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
this topic seems quite interesting.
So first of all
Quote:I also had a very good experience with a pirate who asked for a joke instead of money. I told him a doozy and -he paid me-, good on him!
Several Guys seem to have the opinion that asking for less money and asking for jokes would be "good RP".
Well actually Pirates are Pirates for a reason. To make money, since they can hardly do it other ways. They don't need to be nice. Every Trader would like to see them dead.
Why would any Pirate risk his live and the lives of his crew daily just to hear some lousy jokes?
Why would Pirates risk their lives and then even loose money just to hear a joke?
' Wrote:That's why I make my demand then open fire until they either pay, stop and talk or explode. Or shoot back, in which case they explode.
Why would any Trader start talking instead of defending himself whilse you are already killing them?
"x millions, demand *opening fire*"
Isn't anything better than
"2milordie"
' Wrote:I don't believe the behaviour of the people you pirate should dictate the way you conduct yourself.
SilentHunter
You are asking Pirates to RP.
You say those asking for less money and asking for Jokes would be "good Rp".
You happened to meet a Hessian ingame.
You were shipping Military Vehicles with your Tanker.
Since you were actively supporting the Government with that (well shortened, there are alot of other reasons) the Hessians can't simply let you go with that.
So you were asked for 4 Millions which made you response you won't pay, since you won't even make profit any more.
You choose to die instead.
Why would any Pirate inRp care about a Traders Profits when he(the Trader) is actively supporting and supplying his enemies? He would appreciate to get rid of this thread once and for all and to take his goods.
Why would any Trader inRP say kill me, enganger my life and that of my crew, if i have to pay so much i won't even make profit any more.
Well that't not even the end of the story. After you got shot, you returned with your Zoner Merchenary Eagle trying to kill that Hessian that pirated you.
So tell me about good RP -.-
You should understand that i'm quite biased now, if you ask for good RP and a maximum ammount in the forums now and to claim asking for less money would be good RP.
Actually if i'm pirating i get really good responses.
At first i'm asking them to stop nicely - sometimes i don't even need to CD them.
Then i'm asking them about their employees, cargohold, where they come from and their destination.
If they seem interested i tell them about our cause in Rheinland, ending in asking for a donation.
At first i don't even set an ammount of donation so that they can decide how many to donate - only if they take themselves too much time i tell them how much.
Mostly i get between 2 and 3 millions from those Traders, sometimes less, sometimes more, but never below 1 million (i even once got 7 millions and another time we got 10).
If they are shipping goods that we don't want them to ship the talk is quite more agressive, like when you ship Military Vehicles.
85% of those Traders that pass are holding (15% "silent trader").
Though some of them can't speak proper english and some just F1 - many of those are interested in some nice RP, sometimes you can even convince them to cancel their destination and to supply a Hessian Base instead.
Many of those guys getting pirated even thank you after that for taking it slowly.
So just giving some time, not pushing them, offering them some RP giving them the possibility to decide about the ammount didn't smaller my profits, since they normally pay an average of 2,5 mils - but was way more fun for both sides.
So take it easy, and if you got silent runners - you will get them next time, np, no need to change your whole pirating-policy to be more agressive then.
' Wrote:I disagree. The typical lolwuts want to make credits- they have no skills so they cannot make credits by pirating/NPC farming. So they go to trade/mine.
Any "perfectly respectable RPing pirate" can stop every trader in range- in the 95% of the cases.
I use /setmsg command typing /l1 /l2 /l3 is fast believe me. If the trader is rp able we have al least 5 minutes RP.I ask him questions like why you haul X for company X and they cannot answer me. If the trader try to silent run/dock /no engihnhj/ I SANCION u u junker/ I just make /l4 and /l5 then XXX was put out of action by XXX(Gun). It is all based on attitude. In 90% of the cases is Traders/Miners vs RP- believe me.
Firstly, perfectly respectable RPing pirates refers to perfectly respectable RPing pirates, not perfectly respectable RPing pirates who have the combat/flying skills to stop traders that are trying to get away from you no matter what. I usually find it hard to fly on freeflight trying to get close to the trader that's thrusting away while typing, but that's just me. Setmessage is useful, but it's not really adaptable to situations. Though then again, when dealing with a silent trader, that's not really needed.
I might try setmessaging like that, thanks.
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Traders - Kinds that run when you only ask them 100,000. Kinds that do not cut all power to engines when you warn them to, yet are in the best position to kill them. Kinds that do not answer you, or simply say "What? Huh?" and keep going.
Pirates - Kinds that literally sit there and say "Two million please." And I'll respond in all due course, say "Why two million? What are you gonna do if I don't pay? Hell, who are you anyway?" But there'll be kinds who refuse to answer, who press "Two million." Then start counting down from ten, too fast to make any transaction.
It's pretty much why I love my Freelancer Tridente. I run into a pirate, and either one of three things happen: 1 - We engage in chit chat then part our separate ways. 2 - The pirate beats feet or just tries to get me to leave. 3 - The pirate tries to pirate me anyway and I cream him in self defense. But chances are it's either 1 or 2.
Today in Omega 7 we killed 3 mining-ships.
1rst refused to donate.Tried to slowly thrust away while we tried to RP, then he tried to cruise away.
2nd F1ed when we said hallo
3rd came from F1 right after we finished the second one he saw us and F1ed.
There is no point to report them because admins receive 243453434 Reports per day.If I report all rule beakers I would need to submit 10-20 reports per week-
All this was without any rp behind.We looted 7 k ore. I guess that if all 3 of them were rping a bit we would have 1500-2000 ore and they the rest. It is trader/miner choice after all.
May be there is a way to improve it - harsh way but it will work for sure- factions only big transports and miners. I see it the only way to improve it because the people of who I speak don't read the forum.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
Pirate in a bomber. If the trader starts to F1, nuke him. You get 59 seconds to kill a defenseless transport.
Now, onto the topic:
THERE ARE GOOD ROLEPLAYERS AND BAD ROLEPLAYERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE. Stay out of Liberty, PARTICULARLY California if you're looking for a pirate-less run.
A way a lone a last a loved a long the riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay,
brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.
' Wrote:Pirate in a bomber. If the trader starts to F1, nuke him. You get 59 seconds to kill a defenceless transport.
You completely missed my point. I have no problem to kill any transport. The problem is why they F1?
Why they don't RP and cannot answer simple questions. RPing a trader or miner must be the easiest around.
I mean why the traders/miners don't learn that if they get caught in 95% of the cases is better to comply with the demands.If the pirates demand lets say 100 mill from miner then he could report them for unreasonable demand. After all paying the pirates isn't worst then being killed by them.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
Quote: they have no skills so they cannot make credits by pirating/NPC farming. So they go to trade/mine.
This made me lol. So now the only respectable means of Generating credits is Pirating and farming pilots?
Heck, if your going to Limit big transports to factions, Limit pirate gunboats to factions too, only fair after all.
I run into tons of people too. There are the kind that Yell "5MILDIE" and open fire, which is obnoxious, then there are the kind who try to humiliate you in anyway possible, which is alos obnoxoius. On my pirates, I have stopped people who clam up and refuse to talk when I give them a little "nudge" from the EMP Cannon. I have met the same "CLAOKUNG DEVICE" Traders. There are idiots on both sides here, so:
Pirates: Keep your demands reasonable
Traders: Talk to the pirate
K?k
Quote:RPing a trader or miner must be the easiest around.
You think that. You really think that? You have people whose only purpose is to milk you dry. Dieing is often monentarily preferably, no joke. The reason No one actually RPs their money maker, is because they run the moneymaker so they can do something they enjoy, instead of grinding forever, which pirates extend the time of. Not everyone is filithy rich. It may be fake money, but the time it spent to get that money sure as heck isnt fake. Sure, their are lolwuts, but pirates are more of the problem than they care to admit.
Just report them for lack of RP if they engage, both of the sides should RP... It's on the rules, all the fights should happen due RP acts. This is writen even on the game messages. So if the pirate simply kill you without any RP, that engangement should to be OORP, dont you think??
And if you are a power trader, that dont talk, etc etc etc, nah.... you should be killed any way, dont you think?
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