What I just saw

[AeternusDoleo]

And again, we will be stuck with the inevitable. Precise definition of th rules and more abuse....meh.

Common sense

Well, when people use improper definitions of rules as a motivation to base attacks out of Conny, I'm tempted to say, move Conny into the bloody interior of the Dyson Sphere.

Lack of common sense is the issue here. I can see Xenos teaming up with the LN against those trice-damned Krauts. I can see Unioners/LWB doing the same against those Libertine dogs that brought Synthfood and took their jerbs.

I can not see the various pirate factions even making a -dent- in one of the House Navies, the Maltan and Corsair fleets aside. Perhaps there should be a relative fleet size for all factions on the board somewhere, so people have a reality check in how "influential" a group of 10 ships really is in the big scope of things...

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From a time when all seems lost, from a dead man to a world, without restraint, unafraid and free.

Mostly retired Discovery member. May still visit from time to time.

[Jihadjoe]

Ok then think of it this way. What if the LN, XA, LH, HF and LR got all thier ships together in a group to bombard new berlin from orbit?
Because thats pretty much what the original topic is about but the other way around.

Incorrect. It would be like the LN, Hessians, Unioners, Bundschuh, LWB and Corsairs getting together to bombard planet New Berlin from orbit.

The only reason the XA and the LN can ally is specifically against non-liberty hostiles and thats only because they both don't want RM in liberty, and both understand that the other hates invaders more than they hate them.

The Xeeners are nationalists and patriots (in their own eyes at least). This is correct

I'm pretty sure house specific pirate factions would love to see thier own militaries get smashed to hell. Makes thier jobs of robbing civilians easier. But why would they help said military invade anouther house if they despise them so much? Thats the ooRP bit.

This is the bit I'm not so sure about. I've seen a lot of conflicting behaviour frm various pirate groups. The chaos of war provides a lot of opportunities for a criminal, without a doubt. It makes smuggling and piracy easier due to the navy/whatever being distracted. But at the same time, I doubt they'd want their own house's military to lose and collapse. After all, with years of experience of how to get around one particular military's actions, why would you want another unfamiliar military to take it's place?

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[Jeremy Hunter]

Incorrect. It would be like the LN, Hessians, Unioners, Bundschuh, LWB and Corsairs getting together to bombard planet New Berlin from orbit.
You forgot the Coalition.
The Xeeners are nationalists and patriots (in their own eyes at least). This is correct

This is the bit I'm not so sure about. I've seen a lot of conflicting behaviour frm various pirate groups. The chaos of war provides a lot of opportunities for a criminal, without a doubt. It makes smuggling and piracy easier due to the navy/whatever being distracted. But at the same time, I doubt they'd want their own house's military to lose and collapse. After all, with years of experience of how to get around one particular military's actions, why would you want another unfamiliar military to take it's place?
I agree. Weaken one, help weakened against a stronger force, keep doing what you do :)no need to learn new tactics.

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[Jacques Brissot]

only problem i see here that sometimes people who knows each other from skype
forget in what char they logged then shoot side by side with his "friend" from skype. and they had opposite RP

example : LN and HF or LR, or similar example across all sirius,

and joe is right here that must stop.

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[Skullz]

After speaking with you on skype ,I have to agree that there should be no usage of conn to base attacks from. And to try to stop certain types alliances from happening.

As well as that I know we discussed it, just wanna put it here too.

People shouldn't be using conn in any such way, standing near it waiting to shoot a unlawfull with a Lawfull Id ship, etc. Or be using it to evade lawfulls.

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

That said, I'm going to run off and discuss a couple of things with el admin team tomorrow. First being adding a rule regarding conneticut and basing from it into the rules in a more explicit manner, rather than just saying "It's covered by X rule/Y precedent".

The other is finding a method of wording what should be common sense, in a manner which isn't either overly restrictive, or so loose it leaves people open to do whatever the hell they want, regarding the term 'ally'.

I agree - we've (from when I was on the team) sanctioned people in the past regarding the whole Connie issue - both in fleeing into Connie and in staging attacks from Connie - because it's an OORP system. IIRC, there were some serious comments at the time about just plain deleting Connie from the mod completely if it continued to be abused in this manner.

Regarding the term 'ally' - yeah, that causes issues. I know when we came out with our NAP based upon the change in game RP between the Corsairs and the BHG|Core there was a huge scream fest about us allying, when we actually weren't. And there's always screaming when a hunter runs into a Hessian and a Corsair shooting at each other (or a Molly and a Corsair, or a ... you get the idea) - about the hunter allying with the bad guy. That's not allying, and shouldn't be considered to be. (ESPECIALLY when it's a Core that runs into an Order ship fighting a Nomad...)

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Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.

[Mining]

Point is, the ID system specifies this as being unacceptable. It doesn't make any RP sense for the hackers/indy pirates/rogues/outcasts and the RM to ally, regardless of how much you say it makes perfect sense.

Imagine the media fallout if the US Army knowingly worked with some people that grow opium poppies in afghanistan. It simply wouldn't happen. There is no military on earth that would be stupid enough to do that.

Ok, so for limitations within the game BDM is the CIA of Rheinland right?

The CIA trained and armed Bin Laden to fight the Russian communists YEARS AGO... and now we just went and killed him, because it no longer benefitted us to have him alive. Quite the contrary.

In game, the BDM is doing the EXACT SAME thing. So, does that give it a new POV for your complaint?

Yes....even in REAL LIFE the good guys (supposedly) work with and use the bad guys (miscreants) all the time. Quit trying to make so many rules that people can't even get in the game and launch without some moron having to clear it first. Its a darn game, meant for EVERYONE to enjoy, notjust you power tripping jerks. Get off your high horse and use your imagination.... WE ALL DO!

Edit: This is quoting Joe, but by NO means directed ONLY at him, since at the moment it at him... but it goes to ALL the players that get a faction lead role or make a faction and then think they are god. Igiss is the only god on disco. The Admin a close second, but the fact remains the game is made to allow all players to have fun. It seems at times that gets forgotten in the surge of power...that is all.

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Truly Independant

Standing alone against tyranny and abuse against fellow man.

[Jihadjoe]

While Pew's comment is definately a worthwhile addition to the discussion, I've pointed out that the RM indies who were involved in this were not BDM ID'd, and they were doing very little other than just getting a random bunch of people together and attacking manhattan space.

That's rather different to an intelligence service finding key individuals within country and arming/supporting them.

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[Skullz]

The CIA trained and armed Bin Laden to fight the Russian communists YEARS AGO... and now we just went and killed him, because it no longer benefitted us to have him alive. Quite the contrary.

You do know he himself was a ex-Americian citizen and a ex-CIA Employee. And that he was working for CIA against the Russians as an instigation by the CIA. Who then turned on the CIA afterwards. Not that he was a criminal beforehand which makes your example flawed.

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[dodike]

You do know he himself was a ex-Americian citizen and a ex-CIA Employee. And that he was working for CIA against the Russians as an instigation by the CIA. Who then turned on the CIA afterwards. Not that he was a criminal beforehand which makes your example flawed.

I had no idea. Feel free to provide a source of this information.