Rogues can pirate outcast now eh ?

[SA_Scavenger]

You don't get it

It's out of your RP for us to want to have dominance of territory.

It's not of ours.

The Rogues are devious, money hungry and possessive.

Outcasts are in Liberty to supply Cardimine, an extra-curriculum activity was pirating. We kerbed that
for our own interests. You all just have to deal with it.

What happens if 'dealing with it' means Outcasts shooting Liberty Rogues and stopping the shipments of cardimine to Liberty Rogues?

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[kikatsu]

Because all the official Outcast groups do not go into Liberty and the unofficials who do, like the 81 guys do it only for smuggling. Indie OC pirates in Liberty are usually not smiled upon by the Dons of Malta... even more so when they bring capital ships down there.

[SA_Scavenger]

Because all the official Outcast groups do not go into Liberty and the unofficials who do, like the 81 guys do it only for smuggling. Indie OC pirates in Liberty are usually not smiled upon by the Dons of Malta... even more so when they bring capital ships down there.

That's a different issue entirely. Nothing is stopping Indie Outcast pirates operating in Liberty. Nothing stopping Liberty Rogues trying to shoot them. I merely asked what happens if 'dealing with it' means Outcasts start fighting back with both their might and their wallets.

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[kikatsu]

Then Junkers buy cardamine as usual and continue the business?

The Outcasts are not gonna cut off their shipments to their largest market without good reason, and if a few Outcasts do not respect their hosts while in Liberty I think the Dons would view it as more foolish than political treason... it is not like the Rogues are actively hunting and killing Outcasts, only the ones that get out of line. When you go to someone's house you have to show some respect while you are there... if the guys back up on Malta heard you blew up, ask the Rogues about it and find out it was because of something foolish you did in Liberty, I doubt they would hold a grudge against the Rogues.

[SA_Scavenger]

Then Junkers buy cardamine as usual and continue the business?

The Outcasts are not gonna cut off their shipments to their largest market without good reason, and if a few Outcasts do not respect their hosts while in Liberty I think the Dons would view it as more foolish than political treason... it is not like the Rogues are actively hunting and killing Outcasts, only the ones that get out of line. When you go to someone's house you have to show some respect while you are there... if the guys back up on Malta heard you blew up, ask the Rogues about it and find out it was because of something foolish you did in Liberty, I doubt they would hold a grudge against the Rogues.

Well, there's balance really. Allies don't attack allies unless certain parties are breaking rules. If there's a rule between Outcasts and Liberty Rogues about pirating in Liberty, which forbids Outcasts from pirating there then that's fine. I just haven't seen it though, could be under miles of forum RP.

The problem comes when two parties who should be acting as somewhat allies start shooting each other, which is bound to happen with a situation like this. I would like to know what happens to the rule then? How far are either party allowed to go in their rush to get their turf?

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[kikatsu]

It's a good legitimate question.

Here is the official Rogue standing on the situation:

The Outcast Nation
The Outcasts are our biggest benefactors and our primary source of income. Their Cardamine trade is the backbone of our economy and has allowed the Liberty Rogues to grow to our current size. As such, Outcasts are allowed to roam Liberty freely to supervise the Cardamine trade and escort Cardamine/slave smugglers.

Outcasts are to be treated with respect so long as they treat us with respect. We are no longer under the foot of the Outcasts, we are their business partners. This means respect needs to be mutual. Do not behave rudely towards an Outcast unless they are rude to you.

However, the Outcast Nation's only goals in Liberty involve Cardamine. They do not pirate, they do not antagonise the Liberty Law Enforcement and engage in scirmishes against them. Outcasts that behave in this way are rogue, and we will not associate with them. They may be killed, pirated and ejected from Liberty space at our descression.

Furthermore, our stations do not have the capabilities to support Outcast Capital Ships. Under authority of the 101st we are to deny all docking rights to Outcast Capital Ships (Tridente, Storta, Sarissa and Ranseur class). Tridete class Gunships are to be ordered to leave Liberty Space immediately and escorted from our space. Refusal to comply will be met with swift destruction of the Tridente in question. All Storta, Sarissa and Ranseur are to be eliminated on sight unless marked with Official Colours, we have a zero tolerance policy on Outcast Capital Ships in Liberty.

However shooting Outcasts is not something we do all the time, nor is it something that the Rogues really want to do. We can do it and we will do it... but I am afraid I cannot really say what would happen if the Outcasts decided to come down on the Rogues in full force in a turf war... frankly it should never happen... minor conflict between players should be fine within reason, however if game changing developments happen like the Outcast suddenly going hostile to the LR I think a higher power would have to be called in to fix the situation, it is one of the more important criminal relationships. It however is possible, I would not lie about that, but if the LR and OC relations broke down I doubt it would be about killing some of them in Liberty.

[Altejago]

What happens if 'dealing with it' means Outcasts shooting Liberty Rogues and stopping the shipments of cardimine to Liberty Rogues?

That's a different issue entirely. Nothing is stopping Indie Outcast pirates operating in Liberty. Nothing stopping Liberty Rogues trying to shoot them. I merely asked what happens if 'dealing with it' means Outcasts start fighting back with both their might and their wallets.

Well, there's balance really. Allies don't attack allies unless certain parties are breaking rules. If there's a rule between Outcasts and Liberty Rogues about pirating in Liberty, which forbids Outcasts from pirating there then that's fine. I just haven't seen it though, could be under miles of forum RP.

The problem comes when two parties who should be acting as somewhat allies start shooting each other, which is bound to happen with a situation like this. I would like to know what happens to the rule then? How far are either party allowed to go in their rush to get their turf?

Ok, let me spell it out for you.

I, leader of the Liberty Rogues spoke with leaders of Outcast factions
I do not want to be shooting Outcasts, it is bad for business.
OC faction leaders don't want us to shoot Outcasts, it's bad for business
I do want OC indies to stop being a pain in LR-'s anus and screwing with LR-/OC RP
OC leaders do want OC indies to stop being pains in LR-'s anus and screwing with LR-OC RP
LR- does not go to the Taus or Omicrons for anything other than trade. Nothing more.
101st, XTF to name a few factions that aren't your typical Liberty OC lolwut do not come to Liberty
to pirate, only to trade if at all. Nothing more.

LR indies DON'T go to the Taus or the Omicrons to act like prats
OC indies DO go to Liberty to think they're the next best thing
and deserve a right to use our bases, our supplies and our women.

LR- have a business alliance with those official OC factions. You know, the ones that rule the Omicrons on the OC side. We don't have any alliance with dipstick OC indies. They're welcome here on the same principal as the official factions. That means they're required by our lore, yes the OFFICIAL factions, on behaviours deemed acceptable in each others respective spaces. That means, in an analogy you may or may not relate too, I can take the booze to my mates party, but I can't go there and drink his booze and piss on his lawn. That's just plain rude.

You getting it yet?

It's like a DSE being vigilante, LPI are going to find that illegal and are going to tell you to faff off or guns start blazing. It's the same concept, but on the other side of the fence.





EDIT: And for the record, this is my official stance. You don't have to like it, but you're gunna have to lump it. It's not changing.
I am not going to argue this point again.

[SA_Scavenger]

Ok, let me spell it out for you.

I, leader of the Liberty Rogues spoke with leaders of Outcast factions
I do not want to be shooting Outcasts, it is bad for business.
OC faction leaders don't want us to shoot Outcasts, it's bad for business
I do want OC indies to stop being a pain in LR-'s anus and screwing with LR-/OC RP
OC leaders do want OC indies to stop being pains in LR-'s anus and screwing with LR-OC RP
LR- does not go to the Taus or Omicrons for anything other than trade. Nothing more.
101st, XTF to name a few factions that aren't your typical Liberty OC lolwut do not come to Liberty
to pirate, only to trade if at all. Nothing more.

LR indies DON'T go to the Taus or the Omicrons to act like prats
OC indies DO go to Liberty to think they're the next best thing
and deserve a right to use our bases, our supplies and our women.

LR- have a business alliance with those official OC factions. You know, the ones that rule the Omicrons on the OC side. We don't have any alliance with dipstick OC indies. They're welcome here on the same principal as the official factions. That means they're required by our lore, yes the OFFICIAL factions, on behaviours deemed acceptable in each others respective spaces. That means, in an analogy you may or may not relate too, I can take the booze to my mates party, but I can't go there and drink his booze and piss on his lawn. That's just plain rude.

You getting it yet?

It's like a DSE being vigilante, LPI are going to find that illegal and are going to tell you to faff off or guns start blazing. It's the same concept, but on the other side of the fence.
EDIT: And for the record, this is my official stance. You don't have to like it, but you're gunna have to lump it. It's not changing.
I am not going to argue this point again.

Yea, well that's certainly your opinion. Merely asked a question regarding it. As my understanding goes, Outcasts have been pirating in Liberty since, well, when the game came out. There is no rule stating that Outcasts shall not pirate in Liberty, just officials agreeing to some backdoor dealings. So...in light of that. Indie Outcasts are allowed to pirate in Liberty, Rogues can shoot em, they can shoot back and all is well.

And if you consider this an argument, well just darn it, I didn't even try.

Oh, and I'm still not getting it just yet. Mind explaining it all again?

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[FraserTE]

When i originally made this post I did not see a list for the proper paperwork just the forum based piracy attempt.

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[Cond0r]

When i originally made this post I did not see a list for the proper paperwork just the forum based piracy attempt.

Probably because your tears were blocking your vision.

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