The Westfalen

[Daedric]

1. Bowex smuggled in Rheinland
   
2. RFP: Fine!
   
3. Bowex: *discuss* *discuss*
   
4. RFP: Fine!
   
5. Bowex: *discuss* give MV permission! *discuss*
   
6. RFP: Not negotiable! More to pay now!
   
7. BAF: Embargo!
   
8. RM indies: keel all shrimps!
   
9. cannon strips one station from both houses
   
10. Q_Q
    
11. cannon gave unfair chance to get westfalen back.
    
12. people ooRPed
    
13. chance lost
    
    
14. 4.86 comes
    
15. Westfalen was captured back
    
16. people Q_Q again
    

Bold part is a lie. An out right lie. The fact Rheinland got the station back was an over sight by the development/admin team. Liberty was to retain it until the trade thingamabob.

Oh an event. Do have it! Free pew pew.

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[Madvillain]

there we have it people : 4.86 is a lie;)

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[SpaceTime]

I'd need to speak with the rest of LN HC for that, and they'd need to be online on skype for us to talk about it.

I can't see that being out of the realms of possibility though. I'd personally like to avoid an event with a predetermined outcome, however. It makes the event semantic if there's only one possible result.

True enough, I also agree that interesting events are the ones which have something at stake.

Yet before we put the ownership of Westfalen on the table, I'd like to see the devs view on why they gave Westfalen back to Rheinland:

If it was made for a reason, then I'm not sure if Rheinland lawfuls would agree to lose a whole battleship in a strategic location on an event, however if this change was unintentional then I am all for a planned out event. The same way the corsair invasion "The route to Rheinland" took place in Signa-13 and Frankfurt which if they had won, they were going to gain a foothold on Frankfurt.

[McNeo]

If it was made for a reason, then I'm not sure if Rheinland lawfuls would agree to lose a whole battleship in a strategic location on an event, however if this change was unintentional then I am all for a planned out event.

If the change was made for a reason, I can see Rheinland lawfuls not wanting to lose a battleship as you said.
If the change was an oversight, what makes you think I would like to be charitable and lose a battleship?

What you describe is two ends of the same scale, but that they would think one thing and we would think another?

Im operating on the assumption that it's a grey area, nobody remembered and there's a collective effort to be quiet about it and hope it goes away. If it was an oversight and would be changed back, I'd be thinking the same thing as RM HC would be if it was changed for a reason; "why risk a whole battleship for the sake of an event?"

About the TBH/RM event way back, thinking about it, I don't know what we were trying to achieve. Truth be told, our final destination was New Berlin, so I think a little bit more than a "foothold" was at stake.

[Genuine!]

What is the intent of making this thread?

You want Westfalen to go to LN?

You want RM to have to do something to get it back, althought they already are winning most battles?

You want people to say that it's unfair that RM got a battleship back which it lost as "punishment" for some incident with Bretonia and Freeprt 1, an incident which was contributed to by many people who have nothing to do with RM, and with which most Rheinland players had absoutely nothing to do with?

What do you want?

What?

[McNeo]

Do I need to mention how scared official [RM] were to log on when there were more than two Gold Wing pilots flying around? Really? You sure you want to wave that phallus at me? I've got one too. You ever been triple-razored in a wraith?

What happens ingame doesn't matter, whether you kick our asses or we kick yours. I remember a time when the [KNF] were losing every weekly battle with the BAF| at a time when the lore said they were pushing the BAF back. Didn't stop the lore being written that way.

Answering your question, I'd like Westfalen to go back to LN until it has a reason to go back to RM. One backed up by actions that are supported by the storyline or some other event meant to have a global impact.

[Genuine!]

Do I need to mention how scared official [RM] were to log on when there were more than two Gold Wing pilots flying around? Really? You sure you want to wave that phallus at me? I've got one too. You ever been triple-razored in a wraith?

Oh. You just wanted to wave your phallus. Ok.

What happens ingame doesn't matter, whether you kick our asses or we kick yours. I remember a time when the [KNF] were losing every weekly battle with the BAF| at a time when the lore said they were pushing the BAF back. Didn't stop the lore being written that way.

Well... the official justification for Westfalen going to Liberty Navy WAS something that happened ingame.

No?

Answering your question, I'd like Westfalen to go back to LN until it has a reason to go back to RM. One backed up by actions that are supported by the storyline or some other event meant to have a global impact.

You mean apart form kick your ass?

And what would that be?

Say pwetty pweaze?

Wave phallus in RP forum about ingame victories?

Worship your phallus?

Or what exactly?

[Jihadjoe]

My opinions on Westfalen are rather mixed.

Westfalen was handed to the LN as the result of the Bretonia/Rheinland conflict, at the same time as the Bretonians lost LD-14 to Kusari. This was a logical move, in my opinion, as it gave consequences to the whole situation. Consequences to actions are good for the roleplay environment.

The Bretonians and Kusarians had an event regarding LD-14, which the Bretonians won, and as a result they regained LD-14.

The LN and RM had a transport based event (which was far too easy for the LN really, the event could have been better balanced) to supply the Westfalen. If the LN had failed, they would have lost Westfalen again. Instead the LN won.

The LN owning Westfalen, led to a lot of stupidity in Hamburg. That stupidity I believe severely damaged the attitudes of both sides. Leading to the situation we have at present, which involves hordes of highly annoying caps, being lame to one another. That happened before, but it got worse while the LN owned Westfalen, and has not improved since.

I would have appreciated an event to hand the Westfalen back to Rheinland, however given the plot's failure to actually move on with regards to that war, it seems odd to me that the LN did not retain it with the new update. That event could have been weighted heavily in the RM's favour for all I care, but at least something to cause the transfer...


Essentially, I think the Westfalen thing was the cause of a lot more problems than it should have been. the war with Rheinland is now exceedingly stale and highly annoying to play as a result of the poor attitudes of certain parties, which I blame partly on the Westfalen being in LN hands for a while.


Connor, while this thread is overall a good idea, I'd suggest that arguing with whoever's alt that is, is a tad unwise. As to the alt-account-person... Is there a reason you're using an alt? I've not looked to see who you are, and nor am I likely to bother.

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[McNeo]

So what you're saying is, if RM beats LN every time every where, that Manhattan should have a RFP tag and Trenton should be a Republican base?

You know, many things like that would've happened in the past if you'd had your way. I believe Kusari would be Bretonian and the Outcasts would be Corsair. But then, it really depends on where you begin implementing your policy. If it's more recently, Corsairs would be Hessian.

You sure you want that? Careful what you wish for buddy.

And hey, you wave yours at me, I'm not mature enough not to wave mine back. Want to continue? Go right ahead.

Aaaand Joe interjects.

[Pancakes]

What is the intent of making this thread?

You want Westfalen to go to LN?

You want RM to have to do something to get it back, althought they already are winning most battles?

You want people to say that it's unfair that RM got a battleship back which it lost as "punishment" for some incident with Bretonia and Freeprt 1, an incident which was contributed to by many people who have nothing to do with RM, and with which most Rheinland players had absoutely nothing to do with?

What do you want?

What?

I don't get you. Seriously.

By that logic, Reavers would own:
Bretonia, Omegas, Rheinland, Omicron Gamma (and associated corsair systems).

Blood Dragons would also control Kusari. You need to differ playerbase from RP. The fact that RM wins the cap spam, or by fighting skill doesn't mean that inRP that what happens. inRP, Liberty is serving RM their own guts, so all of a sudden the Rheinlanders capture Westfallen back? Sorry, but I can't even support it.

Oh and for the record, I am what you can call a "Third side observer" I've never been in either LN or RM, heck, never even had indie character of neither.

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