How do you think Liberty pays its bounty board? Do you actually think the Republic of Liberty can actually leverage real taxes? I bet you'd love it if the Republic of Liberty guys built a comprehensive tax system based upon modern tax law. Income tax, Trade lane tax, Import duty, Sales tax.... I think you should be happy that those guys don't take this game seriously enough to write a full book of law for their house and devise methods of leveraging that tax out of unwilling souls such as yourself.
If this helps to displace people who aren't serious about bases from Liberty, a lot of people would be applauding that. In fact, the original purpose of the base laws were that it would help to filter the serious base builders from the people who are building them "just because", the intention to keep a reign on the amount of bases in Liberty so the Liberty Forces could keep track of them and to provide some kind of reliable revenue stream to finance services such as the Bounty Board.
You can own space. You can own the seas and you can own the air. It's called airspace for a reason. Just because some UN resolution has determined that for now, space isn't a thing that can be owned, doesn't mean it won't change in the future.
Anything conceptualized can be owned, regardless of the morality or ethics behind it. Ideas, wealth, even people.
You don't have to pay. The laws are not server rules, you can just ignore them. Your station could also get shot by every Liberty lawful vessel under the sun. There's actually nothing restricting your freedom except the promise of inRP reprisals, so what are you complaining about? You still have the freedom to do what you like and not pay a credit, and the Liberty lawfuls have the freedom to shoot you and your base for it.
(01-15-2014, 04:25 AM)FraserOfSmeg Wrote: You can't own space. Space is a vacuum, which is the absence of matter, you can't claim the absence of something.
Actually you can.
Same was thought for air at some point. Now look at air rights.
Not so. Air is a substance. Space is not.
Regardless every comment so far has been "it's part of the RP, deal with it". The point I'm making is that it will lead to less people playing the game which is bad. Stop spitting out placations and understand I'm suggesting this should change to benefit the server as a whole.
Quote:Regardless every comment so far has been "it's part of the RP, deal with it". The point I'm making is that it will lead to less people playing the game which is bad. Stop spitting out placations and understand I'm suggesting this should change to benefit the server as a whole.
Actually, currently you seem to be the only person worrying about it."Roleplay" is part of the server name, so I would have thought that you may have taken that part on board before crying for rule changes just after your first post ...
I'm sure you'll be able to RP your way round it easily like the rest of have to.
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(01-15-2014, 04:25 AM)FraserOfSmeg Wrote: You can't own space. Space is a vacuum, which is the absence of matter, you can't claim the absence of something.
Actually you can.
Same was thought for air at some point. Now look at air rights.
Not so. Air is a substance. Space is not.
Regardless every comment so far has been "it's part of the RP, deal with it". The point I'm making is that it will lead to less people playing the game which is bad. Stop spitting out placations and understand I'm suggesting this should change to benefit the server as a whole.
Its not going to change, and yes, your base is constructed illegally
Anyways
The laws stands meaning that the LN/LPI/LSF/anyone else liberty lawful, CAN attack and demolish your base
Also not to mention your base location in Texas still stands as
A: A war zone
B: your station is in orbit of a POLICE and MILITARY station
And really yes, they can make the laws here in their space, this is a game, it takes no logic to take ownership of it.
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Quote:Regardless every comment so far has been "it's part of the RP, deal with it". The point I'm making is that it will lead to less people playing the game which is bad. Stop spitting out placations and understand I'm suggesting this should change to benefit the server as a whole.
Its a RP server, you have to abide by military and police law when building a neutral base, does not matter if you want it your way, its not your ZOI, its the LN's and LPI's, so they get the final say.
(01-15-2014, 09:10 PM)FraserOfSmeg Wrote: Not so. Air is a substance. Space is not.
You seem to be going on a very specific definition of "space" here, and that being "the absence of stuff". This is a poor way to define "space" in this context. What you are referring to is "the vacuum of space", a three dimensional area that contains nothing of measure. It is however "space" in the sense of measurement, that is, an area defined by an X, Y, and Z coordinate scheme. People, both individually and corporately, can and do own these three dimensional localities. They thus have the right to say what can and cannot be done within them. As the RP entity The Republic of Liberty owns said three dimensional locality, they, and their agents the Liberty Navy, Liberty Police, and Liberty Security Force, have rights to enforce the established law there.
It is interesting to note that you seem to balk at the notion of someone owning "space", yet you put your station down and have thus denied anyone else from owning the "space" that your base occupies.
P.S.
You have about 24 hours to respond before the lawful agents of the Republic of Liberty dismantle your illegally constructed station. Assuming that unknown unlawfuls don't get to it first, that is.
P.P.S.
It's supposed to be a "Roleplay" server, so roleplay over it already.
Its not about 'owning' space, as if it is a thing. Governments represent people that have laid a claim to certain territory. Government serves those citizens (in theory) at maintaining the integrity of the claim. Thats all it ever is. Inrp most house claims have been recognized (except warzones and rebels), and for a matter of settling debates, systems have been designated as beloning to what groups/houses.
But all the philosophy about not being able to own air or space is pointless. Liberty claims control of the Texas system in the same way the United States government maintains its claim to the State of Texas, by force. Now if a corporation or 'freelancer' group went and began establishing large unregistered infrastructure in Texas off to the side of a major highway, I think the government would notice and take action for obvious reasons.
Which is why you can be merry and 'robin hood' it up in a secret haunted forest treehouse PoB, or pay your taxes to do it openly. Unless you can raise an army/navy to counter the claim of the government, theirs wins.