I once saw a DW flying a liberty carrier. I asked him how a bounty hunter managed to get his hand on a flagship of the LN.
instead of trying to roleplay out his situation, he answered me in a totally oorp fashion, that he got it before the restriction, and that it was admin approved.
Otherwise, never saw any DW roleplay, just iddle, PvPing and being silent most of the time.
Tinkerbell,
3-4 capships, thats usually in Omega-15 and its to deal with the harvesters. Most every encounter has been the harvesters in 2-3 cruisers and the last few was with the 522 aiding them with battlecruisers. The entire time, the Junkers have attempted to remain neutral yet have provided them with a base to launch attacks against us and the junkers have even permitted the harvesters to move their ship production into the junker guard system. Since there is a rumor of the junkers about to field a pair of battleships that undoubtedly will be used to assist the harvesters I dont think 3-4 medium caliber capital ships is being unreasonable. Oh, and there have been a few attempts at trying to create a definite purpose for us as a RP aspect. Every one of them have met with ridicule or outright accusations. So, as far as a purpose, its back sitting on the drawing board being discussed.
Boss,
If there are multiple hostiles using cruisers what would you expect to see, 3 fighters against 2 cruiser and 2 fighter/bombers? On one encounter it was 1 DW Battleship against 2 Talarca cruisers, 1 Liberty Battlecruiser, and 4 fighter/bombers.
Before you decide to complain about us using capital ships in Omega-15, understand the situation that exists in that area. (Not being hostile, just filling in the blanks)
Bludo,
I do not have any details regarding a Coalition attack on Rhineland. Do you happen to recall the transponders of those 2 vessels you mentioned?
Until the discussion is completed regarding what our purpose will be, the only one that I know of currently is wiping out the Harvesters. In that there is some RP in the works, since it is based on their own RP outline I do not see anyone being able to accuse us of powerplaying. As far as the last one with DW collecting Harvester parts for research, I really do love the accusations that followed that. Nice way to jump to conclusions there guys without ANY idea whatsoever of what was going on.
Zeltak,
As far as attacking targets that make a comment to us that annoys us, hmm seems that several House Militaries do the EXACT same thing. At this time the only targets that we actively go after are the ones that are on our KOS listing. Someone is not put on that list for just making stupid comments, it takes more then that to get that badge of honor.
And before you ask, No the KOS list will not be published, if someone is on it, they know why already. It is a discussion to add someone to that list not a whim.
As far as us being shunned by Liberty, there is a rather LONG history to that one and I will not go into the details of it again, go ask SA.
Dreygon,
That history was written for a specific purpose. Suzanna wanted us to be a mystery for the server to RP finding out about. So far it seems people want to be lazy and take the easy way out by making comments like yours telling us to change everything and fit in.
As I have read through several other faction statements and seen some that take and rewrite even some server rules I fail to see how ours is more unacceptable. Our offers a prime option for RP and discovery of the unknown while some other faction statements that were accepted are nothing more then an excuse to PVP whoever they want.
Xing,
The liberty carrier was an issue caused by miscommunication between us and 2 admins.
Considering the hostility that those 2 ships caused we disposed of them after getting the 800 million together to make the change.
Lately yes, we have been sitting idle or hunting nomads. What else would you expect us to be doing? 90% of the bounty contracts we pursue end with the target just logging off the server the second we enter the sector. Lets see, what else can a BH do? Hunt nomads or go after Order. Not a lot of Order around so what does that leave. Yep, you guessed it, go shoot smurfs.
As to being really quiet, if you have actually read this in its entirety, that answer should have been answered already. As they say, if you want the treat, run the maze. I know there are a couple of DWs that have not written a back history to their characters, and that is being discussed. All of my characters have a back history that is sitting on my laptop. Gaining any of that information will be through RP only in game.
' Wrote:Bludo,
I do not have any details regarding a Coalition attack on Rhineland. Do you happen to recall the transponders of those 2 vessels you mentioned?
Quote:As to being really quiet, if you have ‘actually’ read this in its entirety, that answer should have been answered already. As they say, if you want the treat, run the maze. I know there are a couple of DW’s that have not written a back history to their characters, and that is being discussed. All of my characters have a back history that is sitting on my laptop. Gaining any of that information will be through RP only in game.
Well, perhaps as a method to generate interest you could post incomplete bits and pieces from it on the forums? I don't think anybody here can read your mind and know that there is an elaborate story behind your character and faction, much less how to even approach you to get any info about it. If you post a hint in the form of a short story on the forum, it might just have people take up the mystery and try and find out more about it ingame.
As a side note: Two, three RM or RHA bombers are able to clean up O-15 of large numbers of indie BHG/Liberty caps without much of a sweat. The BHG bomber is pretty sweet, give it a try I'd say.
I wasn't posting to flame you--just let you know what I've seen.
Don't take it personally (one of the points I made before). Bornholm is a Junker station--we live there and its ours. Of course we don't want a BH cap fleet camping it.
We have no recourse with the Harvesters. We can't fight them--they picked us--we didn't pick them. We just took the lemon life gave us and lemonade of it.
Harvesters set their own agendas--Junkers don't dictate them to them and don't interfere with them. In return, they respect our boundaries and cooperate with us in salvaging and defense when attacked--but I have told ya'll all of this before.
I have no idea if you had a purpose--wasn't me that ridiculed it. I was just stating I have no idea what it is and it makes it hard to relate with ya.
The only thing Dark Wing has to do with freelancer is that there are players on the server playing Dark Wing. The whole thing has nothing to do with Freelancer.
As with other peoples comments about there not being much about its diplomacy, allowed ships, weapons, and a zoi and the reply that it is supposed to be a mystery folks need to figure out through rp. Just does not cut it with me.
If someone made a faction proposal like DW today...it would not fly.
' Wrote:The only thing Dark Wing has to do with freelancer is that there are players on the server playing Dark Wing. The whole thing has nothing to do with Freelancer.
As with other peoples comments about there not being much about its diplomacy, allowed ships, weapons, and a zoi and the reply that it is supposed to be a mystery folks need to figure out through rp. Just does not cut it with me.
If someone made a faction proposal like DW today...it would not fly.
It wouldn't just "not fly" it would get shot down with the discovery equivalent of this. "Its a mystery" doesn't even fly with the Keepers and Wild, who do what they can to keep there motives obscure but drop clues all over the place and try to actively express things ingame- plus, there is a huge document being written to help fix a lot of misconceptions.
Oh yeah, how many DW members have non-DW characters? And how many of those DW characters are in other factions?
This is a relatively small matter, but horrendously inconsistent naming conventions give DW a really messy and unprofessional feeling in my estimations.
Blodo,
Our orders are no initiating attacks inside the capital systems, dresden is not the capital system and I will inquire with the pilots of those ships to determine why they attacked the Coalition vessels. Granted, with the other posts made here I doubt the answers I get will be of any use.
At this point our request to purchase Omega-56 will be withdrawn. It was my hope that once that system was owned that the rogue BH that have been causing so much grief could be brought into some manner of control following the same method that the Corsairs and Outcasts have done. DW can not control what other bounty hunters are doing, even if we seriously disagree with what they are doing. We have no authority over what they do and I would expect us to get sanctioned heavily if we tried.
I will discuss with Suzy on the future of DW and our presence here on Discovery.
It seems there are 3 options at this point.
Option 1:
Continue as is and fill in a few missing pieces of information - Something Suzy is opposed to doing as she is the one that desires there to be some mystery involved and access to that information to be gained by discussion in game.
Option 2:
A complete re-write of the history and background - Some elements will be retained as it is necessary for origins of most of the characters. Primarily the being from out-system part will not change at all. Perhaps the reason for us coming here, but not the method.
This could also include abandoning our choice to be BH considering the general attitude towards BH and that this server seems to have a very different perspective of what a BH is compared to every other server that we have seen.
Option 3:
DarkWing evaluates departing from the server.
This will involve reviewing comments made specifically against DW as well as the reactions to our attempts to RP with the community over the last few months.
Suzy may consider not wanting to do any one of these regardless of what the disco community desires, it is her choice and all I can do is make suggestions.
As far as the history that was posted, it was very quickly put together and is missing quite a bit of detail that links parts of it together. The last part of it though is based on freelancer and the interaction we had with other clans. Will it be rewritten, I dont know.
Turkish, what inconsistant naming convention? Its DW-Name or *DW-Name* for the most part. The only exception is Suzy's BB as far as I have seen.
I have actively tried to RP with you folks. I have PMed you Raekur., What I got back was a nasty gram. ( I cant post the PM as admin has warned me for posting PMs before) I have posted in your message dump an attempt to play along and give you folk an upper hand and you have spit in my face.
After battles your people almost always, win or lose start PMing personal insults. Pin head comes to mind right now as one and this was with out even an encounter. Your folk have attampt to get our folks sanctioned numerous times when Battleship camping Bornholm doesnt work.
Now this is not the whole story but you can read the whole thing if you want this is an example if in game encounters with ya'll.
post 76 shows how you camp Bornholm. With nothing smaller than a gunboat against our fighter. I count at least 5 ships. Excuse me the target list says 7.
Post 107 another example of their reaction to 3 light criusers in one battle. Now I know I have a hot head there (but he dont go off by himself most times) and there are others makeing comments that we whored the Liberty battle criuser we had for 1 day. I had for one day.
I'm not against haveing many caps by any means but, what is your RP for it? Mines posted and I cant get anything else what makes you folk so gifted other than the faction whose colors you fly? How do the DW make thier money?
You attack me at least everytime someone attacks you trying to divert attention away from your battleship abuse to us as if we did something wrong. Folks may not agree with our Light Criuser abuse but still maybe you could tone it down to battlecriusers, since we cant even have 2 of those and our largest ship is a prefect and we only are allowed a max of 4.
If you folks are RPing then do more in system chat so its seen and other can enjoy it too. if you dont you will always be hounded as capwhores. I know there is no need for Harvesters to articulate everything we do but, we do for the community so they can see we are not just saying lets get another kill.
We and you are here for us and you to INTERACT with other folk if you dont want any part of others RP then this is not the place for you. I know I have sent you invites and you threw them away. I can only imagine others.
Now Im done criticing but, I want folks to see Im not makeing this up. i will still RP with you folk but this scholl yard crap has to stop. My guys are even takeing a break as the less we play Harvesters the less DW shows up it seems.
We can still make this fun but the chip on the shoulder has to go. Post your brochure. What if someone wanted to join? Doesnt say much if they cant even read the brochure and still want to join. Kind of makes you wonder what attracted them? I have tried very hard to RP with you and it always falls through and reduces to insulting behavior. Lets stop this cycle.
' Wrote:I have actively tried to RP with you folks. I have PMed you Raekur., What I got back was a nasty gram. ( I cant post the PM as admin has warned me for posting PMs before) I have posted in your message dump an attempt to play along and give you folk an upper hand and you have spit in my face.
After battles your people almost always, win or lose start PMing personal insults. Pin head comes to mind right now as one and this was with out even an encounter. Your folk have attampt to get our folks sanctioned numerous times when Battleship camping Bornholm doesnt work.
Now this is not the whole story but you can read the whole thing if you want this is an example if in game encounters with ya'll.
post 76 shows how you camp Bornholm. With nothing smaller than a gunboat against our fighter. I count at least 5 ships. Excuse me the target list says 7.
Post 107 another example of their reaction to 3 light criusers in one battle. Now I know I have a hot head there (but he dont go off by himself most times) and there are others makeing comments that we whored the Liberty battle criuser we had for 1 day. I had for one day.
I'm not against haveing many caps by any means but, what is your RP for it? Mines posted and I cant get anything else what makes you folk so gifted other than the faction whose colors you fly? How do the DW make thier money?
You attack me at least everytime someone attacks you trying to divert attention away from your battleship abuse to us as if we did something wrong. Folks may not agree with our Light Criuser abuse but still maybe you could tone it down to battlecriusers, since we cant even have 2 of those and our largest ship is a prefect and we only are allowed a max of 4.
If you folks are RPing then do more in system chat so its seen and other can enjoy it too. if you dont you will always be hounded as capwhores. I know there is no need for Harvesters to articulate everything we do but, we do for the community so they can see we are not just saying lets get another kill.
We and you are here for us and you to INTERACT with other folk if you dont want any part of others RP then this is not the place for you. I know I have sent you invites and you threw them away. I can only imagine others.
Now Im done criticing but, I want folks to see Im not makeing this up. i will still RP with you folk but this scholl yard crap has to stop. My guys are even takeing a break as the less we play Harvesters the less DW shows up it seems.
We can still make this fun but the chip on the shoulder has to go. Post your brochure. What if someone wanted to join? Doesnt say much if they cant even read the brochure and still want to join. Kind of makes you wonder what attracted them? I have tried very hard to RP with you and it always falls through and reduces to insulting behavior. Lets stop this cycle.
Try actually reading what I write instead of looking for fuel for a flame.
I did NOT 'spit in your face' regarding the story you had written. I actually COMPLEMENTED you on it but listed a few things that did not fit.
The camping bornholm with 7 ships, I explained EXACTLY why we were there, it was to take a picture nothing more and the only things killed were NPCs. We arrived, took the picture, then left.
Post 107, what does that have to do with 3 light cruisers?
That post again was about us taking a picture.
About the cap whoring, did you forget the little encounter with DW having 1 battleship that was met and attacked by 8 of your ships? It was 2 talarca cruisers, 1 liberty battlecruiser, 1 liberty gunboat, and 4 fighter/bombers. With an enemy fleet composition of that magnitude what would you send to investigate, a freighter?
As to invites to RP, wrong again, you have been the only one to attempt to RP to get the information. Problem was, other members of YOUR group tossed it out the window. So yes, I trashed the idea and went off working on getting what I needed for a different one. The first one, collecting the hardware would have actually ended with a nice benefit to the Harvesters if it was allowed to play all the way out. After getting those little personal insults, the idea was trashed.