Quote:"As for the war against Zoners....I am told the Admins had asked the Harvester to retake up the war..to give the Zoners an Enemy....this was done in change for some of the things the Harvesters had asked for, but some of the Admins were dead set against."
this really comes from the admins? - they asked the harvesters "to give the zoners an enemy"? - that i d find very strange - as the main characteristic of the zoner faction is NOT to have a real enemy ( except for the nomads, which are not zoner enemies but general enemies )
such a decision would go straight against a whole faction concept - and i d not support it in any way.
anyway - on topic...
i have made a questioning post on the dev forum, too - about how active the harvesters are ( when i saw the post that harvesters were suspended due to inactivity ) - cause i was a bit concerned about the two ships they are supposed to call "their own". - if the faction is not official anymore, the ships will not be harvester ships anymore ...
or in clear words - the cruiser would be ditched and the marsflyer would remain an oddity in another shape that is considered ( special / no faction ) sort of.
i d be happy if the harvesters were as active as before - and if the faction has no plans of abandoning the server - things can go as intended. - but only as long as they keep their official faction status.
Actually Jinx, the Cruiser and fighter could be used by another faction that is in the working. A very robotic orientated faction but led by humans.
Some Admin comments would be nice to see though.
Well that was lively. If this continues to be a discussion on the purpose, place and uncertain future of the Harvester faction within Discovery this topic will find itself moved elsewhere.
On a personal note, Id like to see your message dump be sitting somewhere other than below factions that have, themselves, been literally dead for months before the next crusade for largess is launched.
Dusty , I'm not sure if you are aware but Scorn has said countless times before he went on a vacation that he is , infact , going on a vacation. From my HUMAN point of view , a small vacation is something he very well deserves , most of all people around here. For he has writen so much stories and tried to hard to be in the "good" light of the admins that he surely deserves some rest. Since the main AI has "went to sleep" all Harvesters have taken a little brake.
Now , I don't realy see what you have do to with anything , involving the Harvesters? If that is indeed the case , refer from posting and maby concentrate on your own faction , not seen alot of stories from them lately.
The Harvesters are going to receive those ships , Linkus. They are NOT made for anyone , but us. The "Harvester" is a factionalised ship , for the , guess who ? , the Harvesters. Once the new mode is released, our numbers will raise again.
I can't seem to refrain myself from asking this question do , how come the RM never got this "to be suspended thing" when they where practicly extinct for a time ?
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Probably because we're received a slew of new Admins that ae keen on keeping up with proceedure. In the past when there were less active Admins around, there was probably more important things to be dealing with such as merely sifting through all the sanction reports. Now there are more, I presume they can concentrate on other areas too.
And it wasn't just the Harvesters that were given the warning. If you want the ship, you'll need mega activity. Simpily saying people will turn up when you get the ship simpily isn't good enough if you want ships included into the mod that are based around a story that is in no way shape or form Cannon RP.
Harvesters where merely 1-2 mounts ago the most active faction on the server with 5+ members almost every time I logged.
It has been said and repeated by ALOT of people on ALOT of occassion in ALOT of faction and I think that I need say it again. Real Life , comes first , it's known that Scorn will return shortly. I'm sure the admins can wait for his return , I'm sure they can wait for us to get back on our feet. Considering the fact that the Harvesters are one of the very few faction wich have been granted OFFICIAL STATUS with such an original story line behind them and have exelent role play. Considering the fact that Scorn waited for something close to 6-7 Mounts for the official status of the faction to be aproved , because the admins where "having trouble" , the least they can do is the same for him and us aswell.
First off, JihadJoe has been in command of the Xeno Alliance for some time now and is doing a bangup job of it. Ive retired to persue my own ventures, such as pointing out that snorting at one of the better examples of a rocking faction on this server from your own shaky foundation is what strategists call, well, Ill let you figure it out.
Secondly, my interest in the Harvesters is the same as any other member of the community, telling me to shove off and mind my own business when I raise a perfectly valid point is the best way to get a face full of pwn in short order.
I suggest you put on goggles.
Because Scorn decides to go on vacation the faction doesnt get a reprieve from the same guidelines set against everyone else. Its his job to elect a second in command to manage his affairs in his absence so the legacy is maintained.
But it seems that the best show of force that can be mustered is a message dump lying fallow for, I have little doubt, a solid half year- before Scorn comes back to actually pull some weight for you; with your glorious attempts at return taking the form of groups of Talarcas and Praefects camping Manhattan, some of which who cant be bothered to ditch their Navy tags, and you come with this telling us that its time for your suspended faction to get its own tag along with ID and shipline? Then insult and tell off the people who approach with views of concern in regards to the validity of your stance?
Giving us a bull line that youll be ignoring the health and growth of your faction until your new toys are delivered to you ticks me off on many different levels. It speaks of un-merited and un-deserved arrogance which the viewpoints of the people acting as the impromptu spokespeople of the Harveys does little to dissolve.
As far as Im concerned toys and IDs are secondary to putting out a good product. If you cant be arsed to pull your weight until youre showered with gifts you can go pound sand.
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That being said, I made it perfectly clear that this forum section is not the place for a debate on the Harvester faction. Its moving time.
Eternal, I didn't mean any offence in my comment. Merely wished to state that if the Harvesters lose their right to call that ship 'theirs', then others would step up and use it. No intention of taking it from the Harvesters or anything like that, merely stating what could happen if the Harvesters lose it.
On another note, stating activity from 2 months ago won't change the inactivity currently. Since 4.85 has only really been properly announced in the past 2 months, it's the worst time to be inactive.
If a faction leader becomes inactive, the entire faction ought not to simply down tools and disapear. That only shows that the faction itself is totally dependant on the one person's presence, something that is both very dangerous for a faction and not very healthy for the server as a whole.
If the faction knew they would all become inactive, perhaps more mention of this elsewhere would've helped. Or maybe more recruiting might've worked.
My bad on the XA , I was not aware you are retired nor does it concern me.
Linkus , I failed to undestand your previus post , this one however I do. And I agree with you , such exelent ship models created by Jinx for us cannot simply be wasted. I don't want to see that happen.
There is something that many people cannot actually understand , since the head AI is not present , namely Scorn , the other harvesters don't have someone to give them orders and commands , thus they have too gone to sleep. Most units that are still working are the Hauler units , aka traders , since there commands rarely change. I also agree that this isn't the best time to go for a holiday in the server's point of view , but in RL's point of view it is THE best time to have a little rest.
Now , Dusty the people who you say have camped Manhatten with such ships have been delt with , to my understanding . How come I never see such things happen when I'm online , a ? When I'm on every person from the faction performs with exelent role play and all those things that official factions are bound to do. I don't realy have enought information about the incidents involving Harvester units , but I can say that since I'm not a man of any importancy in the faction and still everytime I've logged I've only seen good , examplary RP from my felow machines , I can say that our RP starndart is substantial. Also , the Harvesters have more in forum RP then most facions , not mentioning that most of it was shot down , in my thoughts , by people very much like you.
I was not telling you to leave the topic , no need to go melodramatic and involve the concerned community. I merely said that your post was ment to invoke nothing but unpleasent feelings in people who are actually concerned for the Harvester faction.
Sorry Eternal, 'going to sleep' is not a valid excuse I'm afraid. The level of activity of The Harvesters should
be the concern of all of its members, and not just someone who is on sabbatical. That just smacks of laziness
on everyone else's part. No one to give orders, no one flies ...
Exclusive ships and IDs are a rare privilege, not granted to many at all, and if activity dips then there is no
reason for them to be included, and certainly not for use on another server, as seems to be the case in point
here.
Additions are for those loyal to this server I'm afraid, not a convenience to get them included elsewhere.
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