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[Megaera]

It makes no sense that Chugoku is a sigma. Its more an independant world.

It links Kusari with sigmas and taus

Edit:
Something else. Why is the system called 'unknown' still a thing?
First a system called 'unknown' should be categorised as Uncharted by default.
Second it doesnt serve a single function.

Turn it either into an uncharted system or move it to omicrons maybe.

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[Firewolfy]

I agree with some of it.
Gunboats should not be classed as capships as they are not. They are kinda like hybrid ships. Pennsylvania wasnt included in Liberty list but i see why its not since it would still be there ZOI. I dont believe that Lorraine should be part of Taus though, same as Chugoku for Sigma since its not close to it at all. Im assuming this would do away with the Sovereign / Controlled / Outer Region house system?

[Gardarik]

I do not find it logical to exclude systems like Lorraine & Provence for Gallia and Tohoku & Tottori for Kusari from law enforcement rules. Lorraine and Tottori are heavily controlled by the government forces.

Lorraine was devastated by the war - ok, it can make it more lawless, I suppose. But I don't think the navy/police would ignore the system in case of laws - there is an inhabited planet with loyal subjects there, after all. It would not make sense to allow there OC and whoever without the basic right to stop there their accomplices hauling Cardamine or something. Provence is more discussable but UC still remain a part of Gallia, falling under the legislation.

Similarly with Kusari. Tottori is a huge project for Kusari investing there a lot of resources and trying to colonise a planet. Enforcing legislation in claimed space is a must. Tohoku is more debatalbe - while it is ok not to consider it part of Kusarian patrimony, it clearly used to be part of Kusari (Heaven's Gate being a megaproject for the House) + military presence in the form of Battleship Sado.

I do not see much difference between the current rues and the new ones proposed. New ones also offer this flawed logic for some reason.

[Squad]

It makes no sense that Chugoku is a sigma. Its more an independant world.

I wouldn't focus too heavily on classifications outside of House Space at this point as they will likely get their own rework, but we'll note thoughts folks have on the matter.

Im assuming this would do away with the Sovereign / Controlled / Outer Region house system?

Yes, there would only be "House Space" for law enforcement lines and then everything else as used for ZOI purposes on IDs.

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[Cyclonis]

From a personal perspective.
I can understand Kansas becoming Indep but I don't see Penny turning into Indep it has several Liberty footholds and while arguably it definitly can have a strong pirate presence.
I think it should stay Liberty space.
If anything for it to keep any Liberty Player Patrols encouraged to keep patrolling it rather than just staying in their own space to benefit newer players that join.

Chugoku becoming a Sigma seems a little strange as it has no direct route to any of the Sigma systems itself independent would be more ideal as it is a wholey Blood Dragon controlled system for the most part.
Can see Okinawa and Tohoku in turn being a Sigma system though as it does share a direct connection and is outright closer to it.

I can semi understand Lorraine turning into a Tau as ya did remove the Battlefield from 37 in favour for Lorraines so technically means they're getting pushed back.

Poole should stay Bretonia (They're loosing enough systems as it is)



I don't see Gunboats being marked as Capital, Their sub-capital at best with a small crew and should be recognised as such as they do not even meet cruiser classification in weight or size by a large margin.

I like alot of it but some of it is iffy
It would be nice to have a second post or edited updated in why these decisions were made to give alot of us more information to understand them.



unrelated things:

1. Does Unkown need to exist or can be moved to make a new nomad connection?
   
2. Would locking caps Battleship+ maybe to their ZOI's also be an idea?
   

[Megaera]

It makes no sense that Chugoku is a sigma. Its more an independant world.

I wouldn't focus too heavily on classifications outside of House Space at this point as they will likely get their own rework, but we'll note thoughts folks have on the matter.

Im assuming this would do away with the Sovereign / Controlled / Outer Region house system?

Yes, there would only be "House Space" for law enforcement lines and then everything else as used for ZOI purposes on IDs.

Well if this is only about law enforcement side. Then I want to bring up something.

'House Controlled Space'

There are certain systems that arent house core systems, but still considdered controlled by the houses.
According to this change, they will no longer be able to enforce laws, even though the system is considdered controlled by that house.

How does this work? Seems a big conflict between lore and gameplay.

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[Squad]

'House Controlled Space'

There are certain systems that arent house core systems, but still considdered controlled by the houses.
According to this change, they will no longer be able to enforce laws, even though the system is considdered controlled by that house.

Yes, this does away with "House Controlled" and "House Outer Region" (Yellow and Red) from a rules perspective though some systems have been moved to "House Space" from those categories and others moved out. ZOI in general isn't changing drastically as part of this - if you're a KNF character, you can still go to Tau-31 or Sigma-17 or any system bordering "Kusari" as defined here (no more hard borders) to shoot all hostiles to Kusari (wat) you see.

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[ellipsis]

Excuse the image placement, I'm lazy tonight. Pennsylvania being an independent world doesn't make much sense. Kansas does because it's always been contested by Insurgency and rarely does LN go there. Pennsylvania has good reason to remain Liberty space as it's supposed to be THE place for noobs to get their crap straight, and it's always been Liberty controlled.

I wouldn't focus too heavily on classifications outside of House Space at this point as they will likely get their own rework, but we'll note thoughts folks have on the matter.

I know Meg has already brought this up, and you say not to focus too much on it. But in that case, what kind of rework are you thinking of? It's gonna make people harder to give an opinion without that knowledge. Regardless, still makes no sense for Chugoku to be a Sigma. Should be Independent instead, as Chugoku is the home of the Blood Dragons, they have total control over the system at present. Tottori is currently contested between KNF and BD, and lacks system-wide laning infrastructure. A new system classification could be made to label Tottori as Contested Space, or make it a border world Tau as you have already proposed. Tohoku makes more sense being a Sigma than the other two, as it's directly connected, and no factions have a lot of power in the system. Though, since it currently has a whole lot of nothing in it, I have no idea how it would be utilized without an overhaul. It's a very boring vanilla system that's mostly just for passing through. Alternatively, could make a new system classification called Contested Space. In lore, Heaven's Gate isn't really an important base anymore. It used to be a place guarding the supposed "secrets", and was kept operational by the emperor to preserve its status as a cultural landmark of sorts. This implies it to still be important to the Emperor(s), but who's to say anybody else cares in lore?

Yes, this does away with "House Controlled" and "House Outer Region" (Yellow and Red) from a rules perspective though some systems have been moved to "House Space" from those categories and others moved out. ZOI in general isn't changing drastically as part of this - if you're a KNF character, you can still go to Tau-31 or Sigma-17 or any system bordering "Kusari" as defined here (no more hard borders) to shoot all hostiles to Kusari (wat) you see.

It makes obvious sense to limit full law enforcement to sovereign house space. You don't see United States police or military crossing the Mexican border to catch some drug traffickers, they set up checkpoints. However, in systems such as Poole and Tottori which are being colonized, I feel like houses should be allowed to enforce space in their specific part of the system that they effectively control. I don't really get why the contested/outer region system has to be removed, I think it makes for interesting scenarios. If it does get removed, I'd like to see the flavor text in the top left of the screen still, haha. Regardless, Poole and Tottori should go independent or border as no faction has total control over the system. Chugoku should be independent for sure, as I explained above. Tohoku should be border or sigma as even though there's a KNF presence in the area, it's only one base. Same for BD and Wild, nobody really has control over the system.

Forgive me if this is a bit wacky, but what if... Tohoku was an edge world? Also, didn't count that tiny bit of KOI in Tottori, forgot. Doesn't change much though. Hope I didn't screw up my opinions at all, it's late so I've got a bit of smooth brain. Everything else I'm okay with I guess.

[Groshyr]

How are you going to prevent POB spam rage in systems, currently considered yellow, if you remove lawful ability to control POBulation in these systems?

[Skorak]

Liberty's grip on Pennsylvania is actually fairly small. A lane from the badlands and a planet that is mostly Zoners living on it.
Literally less than a third of the systems.

Anyways I appreciate being able to do more corporate nonsense in the IWs and hope there'll be some protection for that.

Pob spam has entirely different origins and could've long been fixed. And if you look at New London and such... those pobs are all lawful.

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